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Post by Austin Tacious on Sept 3, 2007 19:54:00 GMT 1
and here i go again stealing an idea from the BBC. for the 40th birthday of BBC Radio 2 they are asking people to send in their nominations for Ultimate Icon. here's the link >> www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/events/40thbirthday/ultimateicon.shtmlso who do you think best represents the past 40 years? get your thinking caps on and tell us who it is and why. feel free to rip the piss out of people's choices. this is, after all, a flaming forum. i'll post mine after some serious boggling of the mind. |
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Post by Cactus on Sept 3, 2007 19:55:48 GMT 1
Bill HIcks, without a shodow of a doubt
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Post by Austin Tacious on Sept 3, 2007 20:00:27 GMT 1
i don't even know who Bill Hicks is.  |
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Post by SteveTKO loves Nostalgia on Sept 3, 2007 21:03:52 GMT 1
The last 40 years eh? That's really tough cause the most important people I think of off the top of my head existed in the 50's and early to mid 60's (MLK, Kennedy, Khrushchev, etc.) Or at least as far as political figures go.
Culturally there's a ton of music artists, sports figures, and pop culture icons. Hmm... so of the last 40 years I'm just gonna make a list.
In no particular order:
-Muhammed Ali
-Nelson Mandela
-Mother Theresa
-Jimi Hendrix
-Bob Marley
Eh it's even harder than I thought.
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Post by Reaper on Sept 3, 2007 21:44:37 GMT 1
Where the white folks at?... Damned racist. I'd agree with Mother Theresa and possibly Nelson Mandela though.
And I'm pretty sure Bill Hicks was a comedian that died sometime in the 90's... not familiar with him myself, but I should be...
This is a tough call, the last 40 years and actually represent a good portion of it? I'll have to think about it...
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Post by SteveTKO loves Nostalgia on Sept 3, 2007 21:56:36 GMT 1
I didn't list any white folks largely because I couldn't think of any that did anything symbolic. The last 60 years (at least in America) have been all about civil rights and racism and that old chestnut. So Most of the people that did something important were black. If this were a 100 year deal, then you could come up with a lot of people a lot easier. When you think about it the last 40 years have kinda been a black sheep.
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Post by Reaper on Sept 3, 2007 22:03:33 GMT 1
What about the women of this country? They were working just as hard, if not harder than the minorities to get equal or fair treatment to, wouldn't you agree? Regan was pretty influential too... but that whole communist thing doesn't count I suppose... theres plenty of good things going around for all people, you just have to look. The things minorities have done in the world are probably better known because, lets face it, its been force fed down our throats for the longest time. The only people that really need a reminder anymore about the minorities are the southern hicks, everybody else is pretty well aware of them as being treated fairly and to some extents "more fair than others." But thats an argument for another time. I'm still torn on this because I can't really say that any person really represents 40 years... Unless maybe you'd say Fidell Castro and only for Cubans. He's been consistent... not necessarily in a good way... but still.
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Post by SteveTKO loves Nostalgia on Sept 3, 2007 22:56:44 GMT 1
Yeah I agree with you Reaper... I didn't put enough thought into this one I just threw out some important people that came to mind.
But looking at what you said, the women's rights movement was before the 40 year window here. Regan is a good one, didn't think of him. This is really hard because it's tough to think of someone that had an impact on the world, cause most of the people I think of only impacted the US.
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Post by Austin Tacious on Sept 3, 2007 23:12:58 GMT 1
not easy is it? i suppose it depends on if you look at it from a world point of view or just a local one.
Thatcher definitely deserves a mention as she did so much good for this country (it's just a pity some people refuse to see it). Regan also deserves a mention, so does JFK and MLK. musically you'd have to include the Beatles and Elvis, without whom there would be no pop music as we know it.
i'm going to think about it some more though.
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Post by Reaper on Sept 4, 2007 0:00:50 GMT 1
No pop music as WE know it.... oh good lord I wish. Some of the bullshit that's "pop" music anymore makes me want to kill people, not Marilyn Manson or Death Metal no, but pop music. BOOOOurns.
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Sept 4, 2007 0:02:50 GMT 1
Jumpsuit wearing Elvis.
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Post by McKenna on Sept 4, 2007 1:03:11 GMT 1
Eez/Auld Cadger/Austin, I love these type of debates. The whole, "who would you invite to a Party" debates.
For now, and Guest List to be updated, I would invite the following.
From Politics
Nelson Mandela, having read "The Long Walk to Freedom", I would love to meet that man who lived, and endured, so much
Margaret Thatcher. Not just for the reasons the Austin brings up, but for my "A" Level Histoy, we had to write dissatations about 20th Century Prime Minister's, where names where drawn out of a hat, and for a Scouser, I got the short straw. I would ask her to read it, and see how I portrayed her.
John Smith, the late Labour leader, whose immense ground work paved the way, through his untimely death, for Tony Blair to run the country
From Sport
Sir Bobby Moore The England 66 captain, I'd spend so much time with him
Muhammed Ali Need I say more
Mike Tyson, to ask "why?"
Sir Ian Botham The man had such a profund effect on me as an amateur sportsman, even though I played Rugby League, I would model my training, attitude on his
Sir Viv Richards. Sir Ian's tag team partner. Oh, those stories
From Music
John Peel, if for no other reason than to say "Thank You"
Dave Grohl, again, need I say more
Other walks of "Celebrity"
Gordon Ramsay, to thank him for getting me in the kitchen and cooking. PLus his autobiography, "Humble Pie" is an amazing read
Jonathan Ross, Bill Bailey, Eddie Izzard, Russel Brand
4 funny men, and people I would love to hear live
Like I said more to follow
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Post by Keith Williams on Sept 4, 2007 1:26:04 GMT 1
Well here are a few people that during the span of the past 40 years have shaped our world, be it for better or for worst and deserve to be though of as Icons.
Politics
Ronald Regan- Say what you want of the man. But he started his life off as a actor and eventually became the president of the United States. And during his 8 years in office he manage to make the economy better then when he entered office, and also with the aid of Goberchav (sp?) was able to end the Cold War.
Mandela- Manged to end apartied in South America.
Richard Nixon- During his term and a half in office, he manage to withdraw the troops from Vietnam, and make everyone realise that even the president isn't prone to being corrupt.
JFK- Where to begin with him. Even to this day people foundly recall his time in office as Camelot. And the fact that he was banging Marylin Monroe isn't bad either.
Religion
Dahi Lama- Spirtial guide to millions of buddist. Also is a rally cry for the freedom of Tibet
Rev Billy Graham- He was the spirtal guide for not only presidents but millions of people across the world.
Pope John Paul II- Need I say anything?
Sports
Muhammad Ali- The Greatest of all time. Had such strong beliefs against Vietnam that it costed him 3 years of his career fighting the US Goverment so that he wouldn't have to go over there to fight. Won the World Heavyweight Championship on multiple occassions. His world title fights are classics and are needed to be watched even to this day
Hank Aaron- Held the Home Run record for 30 years. Faced extreme racial hatred as he got closer to Ruths record. Handled himself with class and dignity, even in light of the whole Bonds situation.
Tiger Woods- Really is there any need to argue his place as a Icon. And he hasn't even hit his prime yet.
Thats only a few that deserve it. I am sure that I will add to this list as time goes on.
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Post by SteveTKO loves Nostalgia on Sept 4, 2007 2:39:15 GMT 1
Ah I just looked it up and noticed that MLK died in 1968, so that technically puts him in this timeframe. He would be my number one choice for man of the last 40 years.
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Post by The Great JT on Sept 4, 2007 4:58:56 GMT 1
My Top 2 would be:
Mother Theresa
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Nelson Mandela
Honorable Mentions: Bob Marley, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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Post by Cactus on Sept 4, 2007 16:23:12 GMT 1
how come everyone mentions MLK, but no Malcom X ?
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Post by Reaper on Sept 4, 2007 21:55:03 GMT 1
He was shot two years before the 40 year cut off... He was killed in 1965... that and people generally saw him as more of the militant, not so much the peaceful one. Thats probably why...
At this point, if I had to really put names down, I'd say Mother Theresa and Pope John Paul II. And I'm not religious so theres nothing religious about it, they just devoted all of their lives to the people.
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Post by Austin Tacious on Sept 5, 2007 16:04:09 GMT 1
Ok, i thought about it and here are my nominations.
Politics[/u]
Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Regan. love them or loathe them you cannot deny the impact they both had on the world. they stood shoulder to shoulder through good times and bad and changed their respective countries in many ways which, although unpopular at the time have been shown to have been the right things to do.
Music[/u]
The Beatles. the group that changed music forever. without this four men the music world would not be what it is. i doubt there are many artists over the past 30 years who were not directly inspired by them.
Tom Jones. this man has been on the go forever yet still manages to be thought of as cool. he has adapted and changed with every decade and has maintained a following amongst people of all generations. not many artists can claim that.
Film
Sean Connery. the first action hero. from milkman to mr universe to the man who would embody every woman's fantasy and every man's hero (as Bond, the man who gets all the girls, drives the coolest cars and gets to shoot the biggest guns). if connery had failed as Bond, the franchise would have died and if that had happened there would have been no Die Hard, Bourne or anything else.
George Lucas. Star Wars. 'Nuff said.
Other walks of life[/u]
Bill Gates. i bet every single one of you use his products.
The Queen. the best representative the UK has ever had. loved across the globe and respected by everyone, she has come to stand for everything that was once great about Britain in spite of recent governments attempts to fuck the country up the arse and make us a laughing stock.
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Post by The Great JT on Sept 5, 2007 17:21:20 GMT 1
Pope John Paul II, I fogot about him! I am still amazed he forgave the guy who tried to assassinate him.
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Post by SteveTKO loves Nostalgia on Sept 6, 2007 2:42:16 GMT 1
He has to because that's what God would do.
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Post by Cactus on Sept 6, 2007 18:45:34 GMT 1
thats what christians do, they probably forgave the lions in roman times
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Post by The Great JT on Sept 8, 2007 16:00:54 GMT 1
When the catholics threw the christians to the lions, the christians turned the other cheek. And then the lions had a good meal. And the catholics cheered.
EDIT: And now a born-again christian is running the world into the ground. Damn heretics.
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Post by Austin Tacious on Sept 8, 2007 22:07:20 GMT 1
the Catholics threw the Christians to the lions??? i must have missed that history class!
... and here was me believing all this time it was the Romans who did it. how stupid do i feel.
edit: damn typo's.
2nd edit: your history teacher must be a prize idiot. first he would kick my arse if i said the Picts didn't run away from the Romans and now he's telling you the Catholics put the Christians to the lions?
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Sept 8, 2007 22:33:15 GMT 1
Let us not forget Mary I.
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Post by Cactus on Sept 10, 2007 12:27:47 GMT 1
sorry for my ignorance but mary who ?
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