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Post by eCo on Mar 22, 2005 4:29:47 GMT 1
These numbers are pure facts about the lives lost in Iraq. 15,000 representing the US soldiers and 110,000,000 representing the lives of Iraqi civilians.
Here comes the question one would ask? Why the hell doesn't US society even give so much of a shit about the Iraqi civilians. The US casualties aren't even a percentage of the Iraqi casualties. But yet people only care about the US casualties. Well, I have an answer: America in general, is racist.
Come on here, it's very obvious. Infact, this whole war is based on the racist nature of America. If some American says how he hates african americans, people brand him as a racist, but when someone says he has a problem with arabs, people have nothing against him. Ever since 9:11 many white protestant americans felt cofortable expressing their racial feelings against the arabian race. The whole modivation for the wars against Afganistan and Iraq was the anti arab feeling american individuals have. It is very obvious that America's new racial victim are the arabs, and to me it's sickening. Today it is consider a deviant to be racist, ever since civil rights, but arabs just seem to be the "new target".
If Iraq had a white protestant population, America would care a lot more about their casualties. It was the same thing during the Nam. The Vietcong had a lot more casualties than America (sadly the vietcong were the freedom fighters and we were the invaders)., but no one gave a shit about them. Hell this goes way back. Not only racism was acceptable 60 years ago, it directed America's decissions in wars. America was so hesistate to wage war against Germany, another white protestant country, but 10 years later, it was so quick to go to war against North Korea.
Just to go more social instead of political, I have heard of this organization that supports american homes adopting Chinese orphans because of China's status. Do any of you all think the average american couple would consider that. Here is a cold and hard fact: the average white american couple would rather spend $100 to adopt a white child than spend $1. to adopt a child from another race.
Am I anti-american? no, I just think that America always has a way of justifying it's own flaws. Despite the fact that I am all against the war, I have a lot of respect for the American troops, hell I have friends that are in Iraq. One thing I notice about myself is that I opened my eyes unlike many other people. Sure there is racism around the world, but what distrurbs me is that, as the most powerful nation on this planet, America should represent human progress, not long time feelings such as racism.
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Post by Scream on Mar 22, 2005 4:41:50 GMT 1
I'd have to disagree that America as a whole is rascist.
"Here is a cold and hard fact: the average white american couple would rather spend $100 to adopt a white child than spend $1. to adopt a child from another race." ---
Where did you get that one from?
To me it seems like your a little rascist against white americans?
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Post by Stare on Mar 22, 2005 4:52:09 GMT 1
people who get this angry about America being racist are in return racist against the America they visualize.
Nobody ever said America didnt care about the casualties. There are some who do not, that's a given, but to say America, as a whole, doesn't care is an ignorant and stereotypical statement.
I think the War In Iraq was a mistake, but that's my opinion, and I don't criticize those who don't share it.
Either way, it's kind of hard to elaborate on what's happening, since no one here know's the full story behind what's gone on. There are so many internal occurences that you can't even comprehend to give a reason on why the choice Bush made was right or wrong, we can only make assumptions by what the media has fed to us.
Therefore, this is an argument that shouldnt even be started, and a debate that will go nowhere. Yet, if it does, I shall amuse you all with my lame attempts at trying to sound far more intelligent than I am.
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Post by soulreaper on Mar 22, 2005 5:09:08 GMT 1
Whose to say that these people were even "civilians" anyways.
You grow ever more annoying, mostly due to the fact that you sit in your American home, with American money, and American Job, and an American way of life and yet you bash and criticize everybody else. You don't like us? I hear Canada accepts people like you, go frolick up there and stop abusing the rights that you hate so much.
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Post by Cactus on Mar 22, 2005 13:30:07 GMT 1
seeing as only americans have responded i will put a few points across from the UK
By your logic does that make the uk a racist place as we are there side by side with US troops ?
The reason there is a anti "arab" feel ( i think you meant muslim but never mind you will grow up one day ) is because it was a fundamental muslim sect that blew great holes in your country, killed your civillians, so they have a right to be a little pissed.
The reason so many dead is because if I hit you would you not retaliate ? This is whats happening, the fact is that many "civilians" are losing there life is they are attacking the troops, so they defend themselves and because there weapons work they kill people, sorry but i dont care, some points a gun at me and i have one as well only one of us will walk away and it will always be me.
Simple fact is Eco you are very opinionated (sp) but are quite blind to others, you see one bad thing and focus on it instead of seeing both sides.
How many troops are black thus negating the fact that they are racist ?
How many civillians have the saved from a facist regime ?
if you took time to think of these things instead of ranting maybe people would respect you a little more.
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Post by Reaper on Mar 22, 2005 20:46:07 GMT 1
To an extent, I believe the Iraq war was something that had to be done, but it was done for the wrong reasons. The aim of the war should have been to topple Saddam, not to look for the non-existant weapons of mass destruction.
To say that, because America invaded Iraq, killing millions of innocent people, just because they were not white is simply ludicrous. Surely you don't really believe that, Eco?
Granted, there will be some soldiers of the US Army who wanted nothing more than to kill as many Asian people as thwy could, but I would strongly protest that the number of racist soliders like that would be at a low amount.
And America, at the time of World War 2, didn't have any obligation to enter a world war. The fact that they were attacked swiftly changed that. It had nothing to do with the fact that they were racist and didn't want to kill white Germans. That is just silly.
Having your own, controversial opinion is one thing, Eco. Having an absolutley stupid opinion based on no real evidence what so ever is just plain idiotic.
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Post by shinnstheory on Mar 22, 2005 22:59:24 GMT 1
Welcome to yawn fest 2005.
Popcorn can be found near the porta-potties. Prices range.
USA's Price - $4.00 for a large. Iraq's Price - The return of the "oh so super" Saddam (or a chicken).
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Post by Scream on Mar 23, 2005 1:28:07 GMT 1
I'll take one popcorn please.
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Post by KillerSundin (Formerly HBK) on Mar 23, 2005 1:33:46 GMT 1
Hey Reaper take it easy on Canada. I don't think USA is racist but at the same time, I hate it when people talk about how "Canada is a fruit-fest and it accepts people who hate the USA." We don't do that. I hate Paul Martin so much right now and he is one dumb motherfucker. If it is a joke about Canada then I am sorry. I just hate it when people do that.
EDIT: For now I will side with the UK and the USA.
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Post by Scream on Mar 23, 2005 4:57:28 GMT 1
I don't think Reaper was saying that Chilly. I think he was just implying for ECO to take his box of tissues and go elsewhere. But then again didn't Cartman always say Blame Canada? I'm just playing!!! Suckkkaaaaaa
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Post by "Black Label" Sean Patterson on Mar 23, 2005 13:32:29 GMT 1
Once again Eco takes a current controversial subject and tries to whip up a storm by claiming he has 'evidence' that supports America is racist/fascist. Give the guy a fucking medal already !
... and then precede to shine that sumbitch up real nice, turn it sideways and stick straight up his candy-ass !
The war took place for the wrong reasons, granted. But a war that removed the tyrannical Saddam Hussein is a job well done in my books.
You could also look at all the killing that has gone on since the war 'ended' in this light ; how many suicide bomber and other attacks from Iraqi civilians have you heard about in the news or when you read the paper ? As far as I'm concerned, these extremist Hussein acolytes are not just killing an 'invading force', they are committing the murder of soldiers who have had (in general) the best intentions in setting them free and trying to establish a better standard of life for them. Hence why I think Americans, Brits and all the other countries fighting out there have the right to be as pissed off as they damned well please.
As for a whole, or at least large majority of a nation being racist, get off of your horse man. That's insane. I side with my fellow UK-er Cactus completely on this one, as well as others such as Soul Reaper who have told you to take a long hike.
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Post by KillerSundin (Formerly HBK) on Mar 23, 2005 14:14:57 GMT 1
Sorry about that. A lot of people say that to me when I am in the States so I got kind of pissed. Yeah I agree with Addryd. USA helps Canada in a way so I have to side with them.
EDIT: Eco, you should be proud to live in North America and you should be fortunate that you did not live in Iraq or Ethiopia or something like that.
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Post by brockandsable on Mar 23, 2005 16:27:14 GMT 1
I'm American and I'm not racist--I love black people!! ;D
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Post by Cactus on Mar 23, 2005 17:34:52 GMT 1
loving ones self does not count E2 Also notice he posts these things yet never responds when some one points out his flaws ?
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Post by brockandsable on Mar 23, 2005 17:46:20 GMT 1
that brilliant joke of mine went over your head, up your ass and back out through your nose waterboy.
Read it again, then pause, and then laugh because of the pure wit of the one liner.
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Post by Cactus on Mar 23, 2005 19:01:20 GMT 1
is it cause you is black ( ali g )
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Post by Darth Peccatus on Mar 23, 2005 20:08:08 GMT 1
Awright...I figure I'll just share an opinion here. Not an enlightened decision, simply my own opinion. Either you'll think, "Well...he's a lunatic, but we shouldn't say just in case he gets upset", or possibly you'll post, "OMG!!11!one! ur rong and i h8 u!!!11!1one!1". Guess which one I won't care about?
Now, the whole 'war' deal; wrong. Very wrong.
I will admit that Saddam was an inhumane bastard. He probably did kill a crapload of people, and it wouldn't surprise me if he had his own stash of these much-vaunted WMDs. He probably liked Star Trek too, the wanker.
But...he was Iraq's problem. Not America's problem, not one of America's gimpy "coalition" buddies' problem, not the problem of anyone we give a flying feck about. So why did we expend so much effort to get rid of the hack anyway? Yes, I know, this seems selfish. That's because it is selfish, and considering that's really how most people think, I don't see how you can hold that against me. "But people are dying because of this madman!", sayeth they. "People whom we, as a country, do not know or care for" should've been the response, simply because it's the truth.
There's definitely another motive. But racism? My foot it is. Ain't there a black guy in Bush's cabinet/cabal? (I think he's a general or something...forgotten the name) And he hasn't once complained on-the-record about impartial treatment to ethnic minorities by the government. Kinda puts paid to that theory, IMO.
Then there's this oil idea. That's a genuine possibility; I doubt it escaped Dubya's notice that Iraq was loaded with black gold before he blew the place to hell and back. But no, I don't think that's the full reason.
Simply put, Georgie-Peorgie-Puddin'-Pie is - adopt your maniac voices, people - TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
No, I'm serious. The baboon-in-chief is undeniably a power-drunk imbecile with delusions of grandeur and dreams that exceed his intellect and/or actual power. I mean, he is in charge of the only true Superpower; and without another titan to battle with, what else can he do but subjugate the masses?
Anyway, rant concluded. Tear my words apart if you like, but please...watch out for any black helicopters in your area. I'll sleep easier knowing that.
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Post by brockandsable on Mar 23, 2005 20:30:19 GMT 1
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Post by stocko on Mar 23, 2005 20:45:34 GMT 1
that pic is funny as fuck! ;D
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Post by Scream on Mar 23, 2005 21:53:45 GMT 1
Ha!
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Post by eCo on Mar 23, 2005 22:33:14 GMT 1
Whose to say that these people were even "civilians" anyways. You grow ever more annoying, mostly due to the fact that you sit in your American home, with American money, and American Job, and an American way of life and yet you bash and criticize everybody else. You don't like us? I hear Canada accepts people like you, go frolick up there and stop abusing the rights that you hate so much. Did I ever mention that I hate America? ? ? Let me quote myself here: Am I anti-american? no, I just think that America always has a way of justifying it's own flaws. Despite the fact that I am all against the war, I have a lot of respect for the American troops, hell I have friends that are in Iraq. One thing I notice about myself is that I opened my eyes unlike many other people. Sure there is racism around the world, but what distrurbs me is that, as the most powerful nation on this planet, America should represent human progress, not long time feelings such as racism. I never stated that I hated America. Infact I love America just as much as any of you do. I never said that the entire country of America was racist, only it's cultural feelings. One thing that pisses me off is how many conservatives always bash liberal artists such as myself and call us names like hypocrites. Another thing that I really hate to hear is this "Love it or Leave it" Bullshit. Come on, I'm a fucking idealist here. I appreciate the freedoms I was given by America, and by all means I feel that I have a right to use these freedoms to express my views. Ever since the war, I notice in many ways how US society resembles facist society. Whenever someone speaks against the goverment, some people call them a traitor, just for expressing themselves. "Whose to say that these people were even "civilians" anyways."So you're simply saying that Iraqi citizens don't count as civilians, but instead they count as terrorist? You were just backing up my facts. To say that, because America invaded Iraq, killing millions of innocent people, just because they were not white is simply ludicrous. Surely you don't really believe that, Eco? And America, at the time of World War 2, didn't have any obligation to enter a world war. The fact that they were attacked swiftly changed that. It had nothing to do with the fact that they were racist and didn't want to kill white Germans. That is just silly. Having your own, controversial opinion is one thing, Eco. Having an absolutley stupid opinion based on no real evidence what so ever is just plain idiotic. How many times has America waged war against a white nation aside from the American Revolution? Germany was the only white anglican country it ever feuded with, and even then America avoided going to war with them. Just for more backup, take the holocust for example, was that the only holocust in the world? no, there were various holocusts in Africa and Asia throughout history, but why didn't America learn about those, and why didn't America consider the other victims of Hitler (communists, retards, and non-whites)? Most people in America aren't even racist, but there are some that are de-facto racist and are not open about it.
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Post by soulreaper on Mar 23, 2005 23:17:28 GMT 1
No, dipshit, I didn't imply that Iraqi people were not civilians, I'm implying that we are dealing with a Vietnam strategy... not to put this in any light with the Vietnam War, because its nowhere even close to that. The concept is, that the asshats that are fighting us are in civilian gear...some of whom aren't even Iraqi... which is why I say, who's to say that these people are citizens.
Now, onto "when people speak against the government, they call them a traitor"... No, I'll be the first to say that the government has its nose up too many asses, BUT in no way are we fascist/racist or whatever. If we were, we'd be in a lot worse condition.
To De'Si Nidea... war for oil is an idiotic concept or we A) wouldn't be so fucked on prices right now, and B) Iraq wouldn't even exist anymore. It'd be our personal Oil Field.
Back to Eco... When you quoted yourself, it all seems fine and dandy until the bold. We are representation of progress, the people that we are fighting over there... they are the ones that have the hate/racism/bullshit. They don't want progress, they don't want to get along. All they want is for there way to be THE way. IF we were truly racist to these people, all of them here would be getting treated like the Black people were. Beatings in the streets and making sure they knew they weren't welcome, but, funnily enough, I've yet to come across a sign or bumper sticker that says "Arabs not welcome" or "Camel Jockies suck." To be honest there's more Anti-French stuff around than anti-Arabic. As far as Conservatives bashing Liberal "artists," maybe you should take your own advice and not bash the Conservatives. Its a 2 way street buck-a-roo. Its just seems funny to me that everytime a conservative bashes a liberal or vice versa, the other side always cries about it. The unfortunate problem here, is that you extremists, be it liberal or conservative, could get a lot more accomplished if you'd work together instead of against eachother. I classify myself as.. Myself, and thats the main reason why. During Elections I tend to look at Candidates ideas. Clinton had good stuff, hell even Gore would have been OK, Bush is doing a good job despite what you libs say, Kerry was a joke Candidate to warm up for 2008 and everybody knew it.
OH, and you don't have to say that you hate America...but you imply it in the things you say and the way you deliver it. Just food for thought.
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Post by evenflow on Mar 23, 2005 23:27:33 GMT 1
god i come back and read this, im sorry but some of your statements are comical, the one that stands out that even though your trying to 'defend' the people who died and sufferd at the hands of hitler, you call them 'retards'. last time i checked that was one, and insult and two offensive to people, congrats *thumbs up* and this whole America has not decarled alot of wars on white dominated countries, is also again, comical, that is like saying if a police officer for example catches 20 males speeding and only 2 females, is he sexist? Sure there are some racist americans, its not just america though pall, its a global thing, every country has racists, FACT, so just dont go and single out a single country, especially the one you live in.
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Post by LK on Mar 24, 2005 1:10:27 GMT 1
This thread to me makes no sense. Why would someone waste time to right a bunch of shit that people will just read and disagree?
I don't know, I just think who cares if America is racist or not. I don't care either. I just think this is the worst thread besides the one that Beetwo made.
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Post by PThaGangsta on Mar 24, 2005 1:24:04 GMT 1
There should be a rule for not doing Political subject.
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