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Post by KillerSundin (Formerly HBK) on Apr 4, 2006 22:33:06 GMT 1
I loved the HHH segment when he was talking to Edge. Cena shouldn't have been there. I really want him to turn heel but the WWE is blind. I was also upset that Cena won. HHH's music was gay. I was hoping for a DX reunion but that didn't happen.
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Apr 5, 2006 0:38:58 GMT 1
Maybe Jarrett vs. Jesus at Sacrifice? Jarrett def. Jesus via guitar shot and interference from the Romans. Heh, Sacrifice. |
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Post by eCo on Apr 5, 2006 2:33:48 GMT 1
I loved the HHH segment when he was talking to Edge. Cena shouldn't have been there. I really want him to turn heel but the WWE is blind. I was also upset that Cena won. HHH's music was gay. I was hoping for a DX reunion but that didn't happen. What you said didn't really make sense. At what point was there a hint about a "DX reunion"? Even if there was a DX reunion who would be in it? As far as I'm concerned the only people who were apart of DX and are worthwhile on TV are HBK and HHH. People like Billy Gunn, Road Dogg, Chyna, and X-Pac are just an embarassment to the pro-wrestling industry. WWE is blind? I don't know if you know this or not, but the WWE is aware there is a Cena-hater crowd. The WWE uses that to make Cena more of a under-dog. Also, as for every Cena-hater, there is at least two Cena fans. BTW, I actually saw the picture of HHH dressed up as Conan, I loved it, mostly because I'm a Conan fan. |
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Post by Stare on Apr 5, 2006 2:47:23 GMT 1
What you said didn't really make sense. At what point was there a hint about a "DX reunion"? Ummm, probably at Mania when HBK did the crotch-chop after 7 years of not doing it, and then HHH doing it on the same night after 4-5 years of not doing it. Maybe it was a coincidence, but I find it very odd, and the fact that HBK came out on Raw and kept the DX Memory alive with "These fans and I got two words for ya!" makes me think they are planting the seed. First off, for every Cena fan, there is a cena hater. I think the haters do outweigh the pro-Cena audience a tad, but not by as much as everyone thinks. But, you are right in that the WWE knows what they're doing. Cena keeping the title is making people want him to get rid of it more and more, and the fact that the WWE are not doing it is starting to get interesting, IMO. I think keeping the title on Cena is a smart move right now, cause it's something new from what the WWE would usually do. |
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Post by Trent Matsunoshin on Apr 5, 2006 5:08:36 GMT 1
Nah, it'll be Jesus vs. the Fallen Angel...
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Apr 6, 2006 3:59:42 GMT 1
I can't wait for eco to get in here and complain about Dezi Arnez and Mana Jamal playing one-dimensional stereotypes.
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Post by KillerSundin (Formerly HBK) on Apr 9, 2006 1:39:34 GMT 1
^What he said.
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Post by eCo on Apr 9, 2006 2:58:03 GMT 1
WTF!
Seriously people need to get off my back. Sure I bitch about shit, but I usually have a good reason to bitch the way I do. I'm serious, I really don't understand why people have such a problem with me.
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Post by Reaper on Apr 9, 2006 3:04:19 GMT 1
probably because if somebody dissagrees with you, you go out of your way to run them down and then try to say how their argument is completely wrong... or then again maybe thats just my take on it.
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Post by eCo on Apr 9, 2006 4:09:36 GMT 1
I credit the people who I argue with. Despite how I argue a lot with NIN, Spackle, Chad, and Aladin, they do bring up logical points. Sure sometimes their points are one-sided, and many times they bash certain superstars just for the sake of bashing them, but other times they do bring up good points. However, some people who are on here, just don't make any sense when they post. I'm not calling any names, but these people, and even the people I mentioned earlier, just make attacks on me, just for the sake of doing it, and that's the thing that is pissing me off lately.
Oh, and when I do run down ideas, I run them down because:
a) They don't make any sense
b) their ideas that are made, just for the sake of bashing HHH, the McMahons, etc.
c) they having nothing to back up their statements
d) their spelling and grammer is so horrible that I can't even understand what they are saying in the first place
e) their ideas are just plain stupid
To think of it, this makes me wish that people like Happy Noodle Boy, Marcus, and Rogue were here, because about everything they said was factual, and you could rely on their statements. I admit that here we have people like Stare, Rocky, and UKG who people that make statements you also could rely on to a point and don't really choose a certain bias.
Ok, I do confess that I have a blind allegiance to the McMahon family, but that is because I feel that they are the people who truly know how the run the WWE. But I am going to admit for the first time that, the McMahon's have made wrong decisions in the past, and I will also say that many of the things they broadcast are distasteful. So there, I do not think the McMahons are perfect.
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Post by Stare on Apr 9, 2006 4:45:32 GMT 1
Eco, I'm going to shoot straight with you man, and I hope you just listen to what I say.
You have a big problem with going against the bandwagons. It seems anytime that a lot of people agree on something, it ignites something in you that decides to go the opposite direction, therefore making people aggrivated with you. Now, I'm definetly not saying that people will get mad at anyone who disagrees with them, but you tend to do it EVERYTIME, and people aren't stupid, they're going to notice.
I have come to a conclusion that you are either
A.) Someone who is just naturally argumentative, and enjoys arguing (not anything wrong with that, half the world is that way)
or you are
B.) One of those people who goes against every trend possible for the sake of making themselves feel unique, and coming off as such to others.
That's just my take on it, no offense is meant.
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Post by eCo on Apr 9, 2006 23:28:05 GMT 1
Ok I admit, a lot of what you said was correct. I don't believe people are stupid, I just believe that the individual is smart, while people as a group/society are ignorant, and irrational. I just get annoyed how people just buy into shit, whether it's right or not. This even goes with wrestling. The whole Hassan plot is a perfect example. It doesn't matter how his character stirred up the crowd, in my eyes his character was still offensive and just another WWE pro-war gimmick. While everyone here was praising Hassan, on TWH people like HNB, and even T&J were saying that the gimmick was distasteful. While everyone here was saying how much of a "great heel" he was. When everyone was praising Hassan, they were bashing JBL one year ago for making Nazi salutes in Germany. The only differance is that Hassan's gimmick actually made a joke out of real life suffering that is actually current. But since the IWC loved Hassan, other people here followed the movement just like sheep. Even Alladin claimed how the gimmick offended him, but later on he just went with the crowd.
My first time when I actually went against a movement was when Stone Cold became popular, because I was shocked how a bunch of people got brainwashed into cheering for the heel. To me, this is how many things in wrestling are gutted. Remember Curve from TWH, when he used to be into wrestling. He had similar beliefs to me, and he also argued a lot with people.
Also, one main reason why I argue a lot with people is because in real life, I have a mental disorder that makes it my nature to do so. I'm also like this in real life, and many times I go against the crowd, because most of the time, I feel that I am truly right. Much of the time, I feel that I am the only one with common sense.
What pisses me off is that many people are just starting shit with me, just for the hell of it now. They randomly mentioned my name, and started saying how "oh Eco is going to start bitching" or even other borderline flame posts. While, I wasn't the one who started it in the first place.
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Post by Reaper on Apr 9, 2006 23:44:52 GMT 1
Curve is a bad example chief, he's about as close to a militant islamic as your gonna get without actually blowing himself up. He went against just about everybodies beliefs because in his eyes everything except his way of thinking is wrong and irrational. When in reality he's just piss poor at arguing with facts so he throws things out there at random whether it be factual or fictional to support his OWN ideas. He would just as soon crucified you for a minor dissagreement or a major fight.
I liked the Hassan Character because he was doing his job, pissing the people off to the point to where they wanted to crucify him. Reminded me a lot of some of the old time heels that always tell their stories about how people would go after them in real life for the things they did during a wrestling show.
And I liked JBL's character, but my argument on the Nazi thing was that it was in poor taste, because in Germany any actions such as that are illegal in that country. Had he done it here in the states it'd be no big thing and I'd chalk it up to him doing his job of pissing people off. The problem I see is that you sir, take wrestling far too seriously for the content and not so much for what they do while in the ring. You don't really care about the story told in the ring, but if its mic work or crowd reaction thats what drives you.
Austin did what he was told and he got a certain reaction because at the time and now, there was a lot of hostility towards authority figures and egomaniacs and so the WWE had a money making idea to cash in on that. First they set him up against a guy that always said he was the best there is, was and ever will be... takes care of the ego thing, then they put him against the top dog himself. The Boss, takes care of authority figures.
Meanwhile the matches between Austin and Hart and Austin and the McMahons were where some of the best moments of WWE at the time sprouted from the stories produced in the ring. The WWE, IMO, tries to hard to connect real life scenarios to wrestling, while sometimes it works wonders, such as Austin. Other times it will be bad for business no matter if its the characters fault or creatives.
Hassan was just as "radical" as The Iron Sheik or Mustafa and Sgt. Slaughter. The only exception being Hassan was supposed to be an American Arab and not just a foreigner.
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Post by Aladdin on Apr 10, 2006 0:28:04 GMT 1
Even Alladin claimed how the gimmick offended him, but later on he just went with the crowd. This is one of my problems with you. You make up all your points. You don't have a source, so you make up your agurment. There was no need to bring me into this at all. In reality I loved Hassan from the beginning. I never found HIM to be offenssive. The things i found offensive were the things that people like Hogan were saying. People who feuded with Hassan would always say that America rules and say something offensive about his culture, heritage or ethnic background. I liked Hassan before most people did, straight from the get go. |
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Post by eCo on Apr 10, 2006 3:20:45 GMT 1
From what I remember, when the thread about Hassan being fired was made, you stated that you found the gimmick offensive, and how you said "good riddance" about how Hassan got fired. During Backlash, you also complained that you hated both Hogan and HBK for being part of this angle. This is from what I remember, correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by Stare on Apr 10, 2006 4:14:29 GMT 1
Ecos, I'm not one to but into crowds, and I'm not one to stay away from bandwagons. I develop my own opinons, despite who's for it or against it.
I wasn't offended by Hassan. Maybe it's cause I'm generally a care-free guy who doenst let things bother him much, but I always looked at him for what he was, an entertainer. His job, as Reaper said, was to piss American's off, and he did so brilliantly. I've said it before, I can see how the last stunt for his character that was pulled could piss people off. Didnt bother me, but "I CAN" understand.
As for Austin, if I'm not mistaken, Austin "really" started being cheered following his match with Bret at Mania 13. There was no force-feeding. The fans cheered Austin cause of the fact that he didnt give up to the Sharpshooter, and for the match that he helped put on. Nobody had ever passed out instead of giving up when given the choice, and that is what started him getting cheered. We were entering an era where the fans had a hard time booing someone who was great in the ring or had characters they could identify with, it's an era still going on. What's wrong with that?
EDIT: I would steer clear of comparing yourself to T&J, Curve, and HNB, you priding yourself as an individual and all.
But, for the record, it didnt seem like everyone was pissed off at HNB and T&J after they had shared their views. You do it differently, you do it in a way that says "Hey, your opinion is wrong and stupid, and mine is right". People don't appreciate that, just like you've expressed that you don't.
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Post by Aladdin on Apr 10, 2006 9:52:47 GMT 1
From what I remember, when the thread about Hassan being fired was made, you stated that you found the gimmick offensive, and how you said "good riddance" about how Hassan got fired. During Backlash, you also complained that you hated both Hogan and HBK for being part of this angle. This is from what I remember, correct me if I am wrong. I'll correct you, again. I never found HASSAN offensive. I found Hogan and HBK, and pretty much anyone who feuded with him, offensive. That's because they were condescending when it came to the colour of Hassan's skin and his ethnicity. I'm all for patriotism, but you can't go out and say "I'm American, the greatest nationality there is. All other nationalities are inferior." Well, that's what everyone's hero, Hogan, was saying. I have the same problem with TNA at the moment, with Team 3D saying that Canada is worthless country and that the Canadians are lucky that they let them "survive" in the US. I was out of the country during the London bombings and during the time Hassan was feuding with the Undertaker, so i don't have a real opinion on that. I loved Hassan, honestly because everything he said was true, but i can understand UPN's reasoning for getting rid of him, even though i don't agree with it. Their objection to his character proved what Hassan said was right. |
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Post by ChadClassic on Apr 10, 2006 22:53:38 GMT 1
Its defending the country, its a storyline, calm down Hassan.
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Post by Aladdin on Apr 11, 2006 15:50:42 GMT 1
^  Anyway, Colt Cabana got squashed by UMAGA, last night. That would be his third appearance for WWE in the last week. He was on Heat and Velocity. Maybe he's trying to follow in CM Punk's footsteps. Is Carlito the face or is Masters? I sure hope it's Carlito. Masters has nothing going for him. They gave Cena too much promo time. Edge rules! |
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Post by ddt on Apr 11, 2006 16:16:49 GMT 1
Ah, Cobanarama lives on. He's a great guy and I learned a lot from him. It's been great to see him in WWE now. I always hoped he'd get a full-time contract and team up with RVD.
Anyway, RAW was ...interesting to say the least. They're actually going to push the divas it seems. Woo.
Looking forward to see where Kane is going now.
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Post by brockandsable on Apr 11, 2006 16:22:43 GMT 1
To the movies.
And why do I get the feeling RVD will be ripped off more than Edge was? He'll use the MITB shot and win at ECW's One Night Stand and lose the title the very next night on RAW.
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Post by ddt on Apr 11, 2006 16:56:06 GMT 1
It is set to be HHH versus RVD at ECW:ONS2. I do have a source and link, but lost it. I'll post it soon. I know it's a thread full of spoilers, but this isn't just for RAW. Needless to say, I thought it was worth posting. Scroll over it if you want to see. |
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Post by King Of Wrestling on Apr 11, 2006 21:17:17 GMT 1
im so happy im going, im gettin me tickets saturday
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Post by ChadClassic on Apr 11, 2006 22:28:27 GMT 1
The Spirit Squad are really a good part of Raw. Their yellin and wild antics are so annoying it works.
I still think TNA will try to top God being at Backlash. Don't be surprised to see on an episode of Impact, Jarrett storm into Heaven and smash a guitar over St. Peter's head to egg Jesus on to come out of retirement.
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Apr 12, 2006 0:58:34 GMT 1
Chad, you shouldn't joke about that, Jesus survived cancer just to come back and win the Tour de France 6 times for your sins...
no wait, forget I said that.
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