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Post by Scream on Mar 11, 2005 5:29:53 GMT 1
Baseball is under fire for players useage of steroids. But the real question is who is to blame? Should the players be held accountable or should baseball itself be held responsible. Face it, Barry Bonds sells tickets. People pay money to see him smack the ball out of the park and baseball is much more popular than ever due to the homerun race.
BUT-that doesn't make it right for athletes to take advantage of steroidbs. How come baseball is the major concern and not football? Just my opinion on the matter.
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Post by Cactus on Mar 11, 2005 18:11:44 GMT 1
there will always be a drugs problem in sports beacuse there will always be a small minority who insted of trying to better themselves inthe gym etc will turn to "performance enchancers" instead.
If you were to ban Barry Bonds or another high profile player the league would suffer but they need to be shown to do something so if they banned him for a season the sport would ultimatly survive IMO
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Post by soulreaper on Mar 11, 2005 23:40:53 GMT 1
This whole debate is just an overblown media driven crapfest. First off, if somebody is taking steriods, who gives a shit. Its not you and you may not agree with it, but in the end he's not hurting anybody but himself.
Secondly, the problem I see with this is the fact they are saying Steroids are the reason that these guys are doing so well, I mean lets just forget that you actually have to be talented to target a baseball and hit it in the first place. Steroids ENHANCE performance, not make performance possible, and its not even as much as people think.
Thirdly I find this really funny that everybody is pretty much on the bandwagon that Bonds or (insert other player) is in the wrong when the media got Bond's testimony illegally in the first place... nobody ever thinks of that.
Lastly, I'm a fan of sports, and if a guy is using the juice I won't think any less of him because of the fact that he's still damn good at what he does.
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Post by Cole Slocum on Mar 15, 2005 0:26:57 GMT 1
Yeah, and I'm sure the Babe and Hank Aaron were shootin smack up there ass too. Barry was smackin dingers before he started shootin up, just not so many. I have no time for retards like him who don't have the stones to live with the ability that was given to them. Everyone wants the fast track, well I think that integrity means something, and the assholes who want to take the fast track are small in stature compared to guys like Lou Gherig, Micky Mantle, Mike Schmidt, hell even Dave Kingman for that matter!
And by the way, it takes a hell of a lot more talent to smash homers when hungover, and Micky Mantle hit more homers half-drunk than sober.
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Post by Scream on Mar 15, 2005 2:54:43 GMT 1
Amen. I agree. While it does take a hell of a lot of talent to hit a ball, it takes a hell lot of more talent to smack a homer not on the juice.
Although....it's entertaining as hell watching bonds crack the ball. IT'S SELIG'S FAULT.
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Post by soulreaper on Mar 15, 2005 7:41:01 GMT 1
Quick question... and be honest: If a baseball player is on the juice and cranks out homers left and right.... WHAT EFFECT DOES IT HAVE ON YOUR LIFE?
now the correct answer is none, except that " OH SHIT " you yell when he nails it out of the park. So in reality, unless you're just a bitter person that thinks its "unfair" for people to entertain others and screw up their own lives in the process, then maybe you should re-evaluate yourself, because frankly its a bit dumb to get all pissy over somebody something that really effect you.
Now before we get off on the subject of how "youth's" are using the juice to "emulate" the pros.. thats bullshit. These kids are making decisions on their own to take that stuff, nobody is forcing it on them... besides maybe the parent. And its not exactly like its a new thing either, I've known kids throughout high school that were taking it just so they could be bigger for football, or soccer, and a select few for baseball. Its been going on for years, but the media started cracking in on it, making it seem like its a new BIG problem all of a sudden. Nobody said shit when the football players started dying off due to steroid use... but a few people have a couple of astronomical home run numbers and all of a sudden its a big stink.... selective persecution if you ask me.
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Post by Scream on Mar 15, 2005 21:52:56 GMT 1
Re-evaluate your life because you have an opinion on roids....hmmm? I'm not getting pissy over anyone using roids. I agree with you, if someone wants to f up their life doing roids, so be it. Roids are in all sports but baseball is the one getting all the attention.
Personally, steroids in sports doesn't impact my life but I'd be pissed if my fav baseball teams loses off a homerun off a juice head. I love watching these guys crank homers, who doesn't......
And talking about Mantle, Babe, etc...baseball has changed so much that it doesn't make sense comparing home runs. Ball parks are different, there are closers now unlike before so...ah who the fuck cares...
Just a topic of discussion
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Post by soulreaper on Mar 15, 2005 23:59:45 GMT 1
Re-evaluate ones life because their opinion rules their life is what I was referring to. This is really what its all about, a few douches got all pissy because they didn't like it, so instead of taking a history lesson and letting nature takes it course on these people, they want to try and ruin reputations so that way they feel better about themselves.
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Post by Scream on Mar 16, 2005 2:35:04 GMT 1
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Post by Cole Slocum on Mar 17, 2005 22:49:06 GMT 1
To be honest, it's not any more a media witch hunt as it was Jose Conseco opening his fucking yap and pronouncing to the whole world that he, and other ball players were, and still are jackin the juice. Now, where the problem lies is that the league, other players, and even the government has to act because if they don't, it would basically be a full endorsement for the use of steroids. Of course everyone knew that a hell of a lot of sports atheletes are taking steroids, but most if not all would spit out the "Barry" double talk and work their way around the issue. But not this time. Jose has forced the sports world to finally deal with this three headed monster called steroids.... and it's about time.
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Post by soulreaper on Mar 18, 2005 0:15:13 GMT 1
Fact of the matter is, Roids are probably far more wide spread than the ones that are getting bashed, so they aren't going anywhere. No matter how much some people want them gone, they'll always be there in some capacity. Which is why I say "fuck it, they are entertaining me while they are playing with their life." Not a big deal really.
Its no better than the legedary stars being drunk during most of their outings. And I'm sure the next crop of megastars will have their own thing too. Theres always something, so why make a big deal out of it, when it should be handled privately.
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Post by Trent Matsunoshin on Mar 18, 2005 21:00:31 GMT 1
Well, there is the whole integrity issue. Using steroids is cheating, and cheating is lying. Nobody likes a liar.
Jucing up makes not have to work as hard, it gives you an unfair advantage, if you went to the Olympics and got a silver medal in javelin throwing, normally you'd be disappinted, BUT if you lost to a juicehead who got a gold medal for choosing juice over dedication, then you'd be pissed off, because he won with an unfair advantage.
The few in baseball that use the juice put a damper over everyone involved in baseball and the sport in general. And that needs to be addressed, because there are guilty people, and then there are innocent people who are guilty by association.
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Post by brockandsable on Mar 18, 2005 22:26:35 GMT 1
Fact of the matter is, Roids are probably far more wide spread than the ones that are getting bashed, so they aren't going anywhere. You only have to look as far as the local gym's locker room. Gyms and weightlifting facilities are littered with all kinds of sauce ranging from joint lubricators (deca), performance enhancers (testoviron depot), to strength and size drugs (anadrol). The fact of the matter is, if you want to get big quick, they are available, but expensive as hell. I won't lie: I did a cycle back in 2002 when I was on the whole "I want to bulk up and be able to bench press 315lbs." What we did back then was called stacking because we used deca as an injectable and took anadrol in pill form. Many people get addicted to the highs and power rushes sauce brings. One week you're struggling to bench 185, two weeks later your throwing up 315 like paper weight. One day you go for a layup or dunk and you can barely reach the rim; two weeks later after the drug has run its course through your veins and muscles, you're dunking in style like Vince Carter. It will enhance you performance in everything, yes everything , but it is not worth it in the long run. It is an extremely addictive drug, but it's better left alone. The reason I think McGuire is lying through his teeth (or in his case not saying anything at all) is because the year he went for the home run record, he swelled up like a water balloon. His arms and face got all puffy like bread baking in the oven and and he was extra aggressive like a toddler with ADD. Been there and done that; juice will blow you up like a balloon and something as minute as a misplaced fork will make you lose your cool. And then after you get off, you get as skinny as a twig even though you keep lifting. Look how frail Mark looks now. And the fact that steroids aren't an issue in football as mentioned above probably has to do with the fact that it is the highest grossing sport the nation has. Money talks. Dolla dolla bill y'all.
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Post by Trent Matsunoshin on Mar 19, 2005 1:46:59 GMT 1
The penalties in football are also far more severe.
First offense lands a 4-game suspension AND the substance-abuse program.
That should tell you somethin'.
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Post by brockandsable on Mar 20, 2005 21:38:00 GMT 1
Yes, missing four games in football is basically missing 1/3 of the season while missing four in baseball is a small thing.
I think the sauce is all over baseball, and more players are using it that are reported. It is only a matter of time before even more people start talking.
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Post by stocko on Mar 21, 2005 11:28:41 GMT 1
thats a small penalty, in football (soccer) players have been banned for 8 months just for missing a drug test.
well deserved in my opinion
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Post by Cactus on Mar 22, 2005 18:05:56 GMT 1
only cause he is a manc ;D
I agree with trent whilst it is a performance enchancer to do it to gain a unfair advange is wrong and however you dress it up right is right and wrong is wrong
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Post by Scream on Mar 23, 2005 19:26:25 GMT 1
Hey I just read that The Incredible Hulk was on roids too. My Gosh!
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Post by Cactus on Apr 5, 2005 15:44:58 GMT 1
no he was infected with gamma radiation thats what made him . . . . . . . . .wait i dont know anything like that, I am not a geek honest
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Post by Scream on Aug 5, 2005 2:32:10 GMT 1
Well for those of you who follow MLB, Raphel Palmero of the Baltinmore Orioles just got a 10 day suspension for steriods. He swears he never intentionally took them but it doesn't matter, they were in his body. Did he take them or did he accidentally get accused of something he knows nothing about? Sound Off...I mean.....yeah.
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Post by The Great JT on Aug 5, 2005 3:19:52 GMT 1
Let's face it: steroids fucked up baseball. Anyone who takes steroids should be suspended for a year, fined and forced to get clean. Then if they fail again, they should be kicked out for another year, fined and forced to get clean. If they do it a third time, they should be exlcuded from baseball forever.
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Post by Scream on Aug 5, 2005 3:23:37 GMT 1
Ok but what about the Hall of Fame. Critics are saying that if you take steroids you shouldn't be allowed into the hall of fame. But if they are allowed in shouldn't Pete Rose be allowed in as well???
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Post by The Great JT on Aug 5, 2005 3:25:10 GMT 1
First of all, Pete Rose should be allowed in because he is the best hitter in baseball. Second, Steriod users should not be in the hall.
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Aug 5, 2005 15:24:33 GMT 1
Insted of steriods, the ball players should do like they did in they old days and just get liquered to the gills every game.
Babe Ruth > Mark McGuire
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Post by The Great JT on Aug 5, 2005 15:31:36 GMT 1
Dude, playing drunk is holy compared to steroids.
And everyone knows the Sultan Of Swat could take Big Mac any day of the week.
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