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Post by Stare on Oct 13, 2005 2:07:12 GMT 1
there is still a disagreement between me and Shinns if Sol, Firefly, Slocum, Funamie, SteveTKO, Ecos, Wolverine, and people like that should count.
Honeslty, I've thought about it a lot, and I think that if they're here and vote, it shows they are interested in the efed, and so their votes should count. I know the whole "what if they dont join again?" . . . well, what if Soundscream decides to take leave for a while after the fed, and then ends up never returning? What if Micko takes an absence, and it lasts a good while? Anything can happen with anyone who voted.
I think LHW, Fluffy, and Spaz should not count unless these people want to join the efed.
As for everyone else I listed, who is either in the fed, or has said they are interested in being in it, I think they shoudl count. Just voting shows support for the fed, I mean, they're here aren't they?
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Post by Stare on Oct 13, 2005 2:15:17 GMT 1
Firefly also voted, which won't count. Any clue what he voted for? Damn it, Shinns . . . damn it. Do you see me saying "Cole voted, but he won't count"? No, you don't, and do you know why? Because I'm not going to say someone will not count and not discuss it with you. That's what I've been talking about this whole thread, who I think should and should not count. I never flat out announced who and who would not count like you just did. Sorry, I just think what you did there was totally out-of-line, and it really stepped on my toes and showed me no respect as a co-writer. EDIT: I'm not 100% what Firefly voted, by the way. But, whatever he did, he showed up, and should count as such.
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Post by lhw on Oct 13, 2005 2:24:43 GMT 1
I think LHW, Fluffy, and Spaz should not count unless these people want to join the efed. While I occasionally follow things here and there in the fed, I honestly don't have the time to participate...I'm too busy working with various animal charities at the moment. Thanks for the sentiment, though.
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Post by Stare on Oct 13, 2005 2:28:32 GMT 1
I'd love to have you in the fed. I think you're as awesome as they come. I would have your children if it was a possibility.
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Post by Spackle on Oct 13, 2005 2:30:43 GMT 1
Slut. :cries:
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Post by ChadClassic on Oct 13, 2005 2:37:06 GMT 1
I'd love to have you in the fed. I think you're as awesome as they come. I would have your children if it was a possibility. Its still possible. Shinns said you got off your period the day Fever was posted. I think everyone but LHW, Fluffy, and the other one should be counted. They've atleast put for efforts in RP'ing once or twice, and are still pretty active, Cole atleast. Eco too.
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Post by Stare on Oct 13, 2005 2:38:25 GMT 1
Ecos hasnt voted, though he is online right now.
So, you're saying LHW, Fluffy, and Spaz shouldnt count? I agree with that
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Post by LK on Oct 13, 2005 3:57:22 GMT 1
Who still have to vote? I think we should just lock it right now.
And what will the titles be?
Maybe...
TNT- World Championship International Championship World Tag Team championship
Blitz- P2PW Championship Rage Championship P2PW Tag Team Championship
And the background for the banners could be...
TNT- Redish Orange Blitz- Blueish Purple
And TNT should get Superstar Sunday, and Blitz should get some random Velocity type show.
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Post by Spackle on Oct 13, 2005 4:07:54 GMT 1
Great!
Then we'll be an EXACT replica of WWE!
Either way, I think having two sets of tag titles would kill off the tag division.
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Oct 13, 2005 4:15:14 GMT 1
Cuncurred. The World and Tag Titles should be the only of thier kinds.
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Post by lockjaw on Oct 13, 2005 9:11:08 GMT 1
The titles should go between shows so it will have the option of moving people around more. say TNT gets Nation and BlitZ gets Spackle and spackle was given a shot and beat nation nation should then move to blitz and spackle would bounce between.
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Post by _the j-man on Oct 13, 2005 10:05:09 GMT 1
Yeah I think if they're split that the P2PW World & Tag Team Champions should be able to roam both shows and that way you can always get a good mix of people too switching rosters. Then have International & Internet on both shows as seperate secondary belts. But I don't think it should be like the Current WWE Split, because it sucks.
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Post by Stare on Oct 13, 2005 14:33:09 GMT 1
I'm not too sure on that, but we'll talk about it. This is my take on it:
I understand what all of you are saying, but I think that having belts bounce back and forth between shows would put us in the same boat we are in now, and that is title shots being few and far between.
Also, if you are a tag team on TNT, wouldn't you hate only being able to get a title shot once every 2 months (efed time, may be a bit longer in real time, may be a lot longer) because the belt is on Blitz at the moment? Same for World Title. _the j-man could be named #1 contender on Blitz!, and if Nation is on TNT, he wouldnt get that title shot for a good while. Especially if he wanted to face Nation, and Nation lost the title on TNT
Also, with the belt being able to change on both shows, I think it'd become overall confusing with people winning those belts.
So, yeah, it's something to think about, we may try some things and see what works and what makes the fed better. It's all about trying things to improve, and if they dont, no harm, go back to the way things were and try something else if there is still a small problem.
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Post by brockandsable on Oct 13, 2005 15:14:20 GMT 1
Yeah I think if they're split that the P2PW World & Tag Team Champions should be able to roam both shows and that way you can always get a good mix of people too switching rosters. Then have International & Internet on both shows as seperate secondary belts. But I don't think it should be like the Current WWE Split, because it sucks. The best thing about the WWE split is that it gave other superstars the chance to shine. Without it, I don't think the likes of Eduardo Guerrero and JBL would ever have had a shot at being World Champions. It helped both their profiles a great deal. Hopefully it doesn't become title city and lose its focus. As Rocky pointed out in E2's Wrestling Joint, it isn't all about straps, its about bring out the best in you and channeling that into your character. Did that sound rehearsed?
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Post by shinnstheory on Oct 13, 2005 16:11:55 GMT 1
The bottom line is, it's all about having fun. The majority seems to think the draft will bring in a new light....Thus, making things more exciting, and fun. Some may beg to differ, but if the draft does occur, they may be suprised. Hell, I may be suprised. I am Anti-draft. But, I see some good in the draft. Not as much as without, but I do think whoever comes to TNT will have a good time. We'll all work together. I am sure Stare is thinking the same. If you end up on Blitz! I am sure he'll cater to your thoughts and opinions.....at least, that's what I hope.
The only thing that will suck is not being able to work with some of the guys I use to really enjoy working with. But, I guess that is a sacrafice that is unavoidable.
Well, it's obvious there will be a draft. I'll just wait for boss man to lock this. If I were to lock this now, I wouldn't hear the end of it.
With that said, see you in the ring!
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Post by Simz on Oct 13, 2005 18:19:52 GMT 1
Questions? ;D
What the "Draw" be live (post by post)?
Will it be on TnT or "Blitz"
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Post by shinnstheory on Oct 13, 2005 18:34:06 GMT 1
It will probably be a special event, which will take place in the PPV section. But, things could change, as they usually do.
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Post by _the j-man on Oct 13, 2005 19:02:26 GMT 1
I'm not too sure on that, but we'll talk about it. This is my take on it: I understand what all of you are saying, but I think that having belts bounce back and forth between shows would put us in the same boat we are in now, and that is title shots being few and far between. Also, if you are a tag team on TNT, wouldn't you hate only being able to get a title shot once every 2 months (efed time, may be a bit longer in real time, may be a lot longer) because the belt is on Blitz at the moment? Same for World Title. _the j-man could be named #1 contender on Blitz!, and if Nation is on TNT, he wouldnt get that title shot for a good while. Especially if he wanted to face Nation, and Nation lost the title on TNT Also, with the belt being able to change on both shows, I think it'd become overall confusing with people winning those belts. So, yeah, it's something to think about, we may try some things and see what works and what makes the fed better. It's all about trying things to improve, and if they dont, no harm, go back to the way things were and try something else if there is still a small problem. What I'm saying is that the World Champion is allowed on both shows. And if I'm a person I can wait, I just think two different championships would be a waste of time. People are going to have to wait anyways to get a title shot in the first place. Hell no one is going to be able to get that monster push even if there are two different kinds of belt. Now the draft reeks of the WWE draft and I really don't like that. I really rather have it be the same roster as it is now. I don't see the purpose of having Two World Titles, when the rosters are big enough to begin with and if the reason is "Well it will hold other people down." that's not good enough for me. People will be held down no matter what, the draft isn't going to solve this "mysterious" problem. I still say we do rankings that way you have a clear-cut #1 contender whose earned it. That way people can't bitch if something doesn't go there way. You have to realize you can't make everyone happy. And by most the replies I've read, the majority rather have the Champ travel between both shows. And if that Champ loses, he takes teh spot of the New Champ on there roster. So people could still techically switch sides due to losing the belt. I think that would keep everything fresh. But if we have two of everything we'll end up having like 8 Championship belts and in the end that to me is just trying to reward everyone for participating. Not everyone can be the best and that's what members need to realize, and if they want to be the best. Make them earn it. I vote if this draft goes through that The World Championship and Tag Team Championships are there own unique belts that allows them to travel both shows (and they don't always have to either). ;D Thank you.
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Post by shinnstheory on Oct 13, 2005 19:14:44 GMT 1
Don't even bother J Man.
The original plan for the draft was to have every champ float from show to show. That is when I was Pro-draft. Things changed and suddenly each champ would be on a specific show and new belts would be added. That is when I changed my mind and went Anti-draft. None of this would be happening at all if we had floating champions. Basically, don't waste your breath. I've spent the last few months wasting mine.
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Post by Aladdin on Oct 13, 2005 19:21:46 GMT 1
When was the last vote?
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Post by Stare on Oct 13, 2005 19:33:35 GMT 1
childish most of the roster does seem to prefer floating champions, I just wanted to state my side and see if anybody agreed. Clearly, _the j-man has made some valid points, and seeing how there is trouble in the tag division now, maybe adding another set of tag belts would be too much. As for the World Title, I think it's still a bit debatable, but I see the point made. The MAIN problem with people "floating" is that each show couldnt do their own thing and would have to follow certain storylines. Unless you mean float as in "after TNT's ppv, the current World champ goes to Blitz! until it's ppv", then I think that would work fine. BUt, if we're talking him appearing on both shows at the same time, it'd be very hard to keep up with. But, yeah, the tag belts and World title floating would work out grand if we're talking an "every other ppv" type deal between the two shows. What you just read is bullshit. The idea of each brand having separate titles was talked about shortly after Shinns and I disagreed. We were both on the same page until Shinns decided he wanted to start a faction, and have it feud with Rocky's. Suddenly, the fact that we both agreed the draft would be best for spotlighting the roster was not even debateable. I was wanting to separate people to give more people more matches and spotlight their storylines more, Shinns was on the same page until a possible storyline arose to spotlight him. Another problem with the stable's feuding was that 3 belt would've been in the camps. If two stables are fueding, it wouldnt make sense for the members to feud with outside sources and give them title shots. So, these three belts would've been limited to the people within the stables for a couple of ppv's. I was not going to accept that, and I knew the roster would grow annoyed with it. Basically, Shinns changed his mind on the roster, and I didnt go along with his opinion, and I almost got punished after he ran to Rocky. The only reason this has been resolved is because I suggested actually seeing what "the roster" wanted. I didnt even want to hint at this stuff, Shinns. But, if you're going to post complete bullshit like that, I'm not going to let people get the wrong opinion of me. This shouldnt have even been talked about out in the open, there was no need for it, and it was a very childish shot for you to take. Grow up
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Post by shinnstheory on Oct 13, 2005 19:43:59 GMT 1
Stare. When we first starting talking about the draft, it was under my assumption that the champions would be floating. Then, we had that 2-3 days trying to reach me on YIM. When I finally got back to you, you mentioned that new belts would be added and the current champions would be placed on certain shows. THAT is when I said I didn't want to do the draft. THAT is why we ended up where we are today.
As I told you recently, after looking back and checking out the rosters we picked, I started to get excited about writing again. You're just sucking the fun out of this. You and your "we should set up some sort of schedule" shit... That turns this hobby into a job. Things ran perfectly fine since day one.
When you came back, you wanted to become a writer again. You wanted to add another show. At first, things were running smooth enough for me to say no. After a while, and after talking to you about it, I said "Ok Stare, you can come back". Then, we added Blitz! I was worried at first but everything seemed to run well. In fact, things were going great. I was having fun. I loved what you did with Blitz! And, I liked working with you on the PPVs. So, I decided to give you 50% of this e-Fed. You didn't have to run every idea by me anymore. Why not right? Things were running well. WRONG. Look at where we are now.
I blame all of this on myself, for that reason alone.
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Post by Reaper on Oct 13, 2005 19:45:20 GMT 1
Do you know what would have made this thread alot easier to vote on? If both writers could have agreed upon some basic ground rules for whatever the outcome. Are we now going to have a vote on how many belts there are going to be? Perhaps a vote for every single person on the roster would be a good idea. Maybe we could have a different poll every week, with one superstar listed, then the voters vote on which shopw he goes onto? It would only take roughly a year or so for the next show to be posted.
Sort it out!
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Post by lhw on Oct 13, 2005 19:48:36 GMT 1
I've got some pizza and beer for anyone that wants it.
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Post by shinnstheory on Oct 13, 2005 19:52:47 GMT 1
I'm game.
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