Huge Smackdown Spoiler!

[Simz]

Yes Kurt Angle is the new champion of Smackdown. Batista had to finally give it up and Angle came on to Smackdown to win a battle royal. I really was shocked when I heard this. The WWE are pulling this stuff out of the blue. And a big up too them!

[stocko]

could this just not have gone in the smackdown thread?

[Aladdin]

Especially since we were already talking about it there.

[shinnstheory]

This could be a topic on it's own.

Will Angle remain on Smackdown? Will he bring the title to Raw?

Personally, I think this was a terrible idea. It is good for one thing, Friday's ratings.

[Aladdin]

Well, i thought it was a good idea because SD! are lacking main eventers. Benoit and Booker are feuding over the US Title. JBL sucks. Rey doesn' seem quite ready for it, leaving Orton but they probably want to give it to him at mania so since Angle wanted it so badly, it seems like a good idea.

Would have been cooler if Jericho returned.

It'll be nice to see what happens on Raw and if he'll still face Michaels.

[shinnstheory]

It would be worse if he faced HBK for the title, HBK won, and went to SD.

[Simz]

That would be much better. HBK should go on SD! He has nobody left to face on Raw. But I have no Idea for the reasoning for this, as I said. Totaly out of the blue. Which is really cool.

[shinnstheory]

Hell no. Keep HBK on live TV.

[The Great JT]

YES! FINALLY! A WORTHWHILE CHAMPION!

[eCo]

^ Cena, Batisa, and Edge are all worthwhile Champs, the crowds reaction always overrides some individuals opinion.

Simz, you really need to put a spoiler warning on your topic. I would have rather waited till Smackdown! on friday night to see who the new champ would have been, and since your tite was "Angle New Champ", it ruined it for me and other right on the spot. I still think it should be edited. Again, no offense.

[Aladdin]

^Someone should definitely edit the title. I thought it was kinda weird for WWE to spoil it as well. I can understand them saying Batista relinquishes the title but it surprised me to see that they ruined the end for everyone.

And Proph, i hardly think Cena was a credible champion if in the last couple months he's been booed by the majority of the crowd even though they've been pushing him hard as a face. The crowd who you say are just like you and love everything the WWE give them. Or maybe the majority of the crowd are smarks. Either way you're wrong.

[eCo]

Ok, you can bash Cena all you want but he still had fans and not only that, but the WWE didn't have a top face like Cena in such a LONG time. Before Cena the WWE had Chris Beniot, Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, and Randy Orton, even though they were good in the ring, they were all the same in which they were young guys who were big and strong or they were veterans and the IWC affected their views on them, and that is how they became top faces. Cena on the other hand was very similar to Stone Cold. Fans choose Cena because he had a blue collar rebel image on him. The WWE had no choice to make Cena into a face, because fans liked him so much, just like Stone Cold back then. I thought Cena's title run on Raw was pure classic. He was the rebel, and it seemed like the fans were on his side, while Eric Bischoff and Kurt Angle were the tyrants.

Oh and Smarks DO NOT consist of the majority of the crowd, if anything marks make up most of the crowd. The reason why many people boo Cena, is because of how the smarks found some twisted and evil way to poison the minds of the mainstream crowd once again. Yet another reason why the internet can harm wrestling.

[Aladdin]

Ha! You've run our of bullshit and now you're just talking pure crap, which are technically the same thing but ya get what i mean.

So Smarks have "found some twisted and evil way to poison" the minds of the marks. Hmm... sounds like these smarks must be magicians according to your logic.

Cena is no where near the calibur of Stone Cole. Austin fucked around with Vince in a bad ass way, not giving a shit what anyone thought. He got over because he was extreme and the fans loved that, not just because he defied the boss. In your world, he could have simply said no to the boss and gotten over. But that isn't what he did. He would stun him, talk shit about him and act like the witty son of a bitch that he is. Cena on the other hand goes to bischoff and calls him a "poo poo head". And says that he blows and that he's gay. Wow! Like no-one else does that. Cena sucks up to the crowd, something that Stone Cold never did. Austin never said he's doing anything for the people. And the worst thing about Cena is that he overacts so damn much. You could see, before the elimination chamber when he was just looking at it, he was gulping and bulging his eyes and everything about him just shouted out fake. Then he comes out on Raw and startswaving his hands around like an idiot. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? For Austin it seemed like it was natural.

And are you deaf or something? Can you not hear all the booing that he's getting. Lawler even said that he was. At Sunday's PPV everytime Cena got any offense he was booed so loudly. Even when he was hitting Chris Masters. Kurt Angle got the loudest cheers by a mile because he can WRESTLE, another thing that Cena just can't do. Another example of Cena getting booed was the beat the clock night. He was up against Shelton. Now Shelton hasn't even been on Raw for the majority of the year, he's been jobbing on heat and at the time wasn't sure whether he was a face or heel. And yet half the crowd was cheering for Shelton and not Cena. The half that was cheering for Cena had high-pitched voices, so they were either women or children and since you're such a big supporter of Cena you must be one of those two as well, Mr. You're 13 so you know nothing.

I'm pretty sure that at WM20 Benoit was just as over as Cena was at WM21.

In conclusion Cena sucks and is not a rebel. He's a follower/wannabe at best. If you want your new rebel your best chance is with Kurt Angle. Turn him face, let him remain really vicious and make sure he doesn't give a shit about anyone (i.e. GMs, owners, other wrestler and the crowd). There's your next Stone Cold if there was anyone.

[shinnstheory]

Changed thread title.

[ChadClassic]

aladdin said:

Ha! You've run our of bullshit and now you're just talking pure crap, which are technically the same thing but ya get what i mean.

So Smarks have "found some twisted and evil way to poison" the minds of the marks. Hmm... sounds like these smarks must be magicians according to your logic.

Cena is no where near the calibur of Stone Cole. Austin fucked around with Vince in a bad ass way, not giving a shit what anyone thought. He got over because he was extreme and the fans loved that, not just because he defied the boss. In your world, he could have simply said no to the boss and gotten over. But that isn't what he did. He would stun him, talk shit about him and act like the witty son of a bitch that he is. Cena on the other hand goes to bischoff and calls him a "poo poo head". And says that he blows and that he's gay. Wow! Like no-one else does that. Cena sucks up to the crowd, something that Stone Cold never did. Austin never said he's doing anything for the people. And the worst thing about Cena is that he overacts so damn much. You could see, before the elimination chamber when he was just looking at it, he was gulping and bulging his eyes and everything about him just shouted out fake. Then he comes out on Raw and startswaving his hands around like an idiot. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? For Austin it seemed like it was natural.

And are you deaf or something? Can you not hear all the booing that he's getting. Lawler even said that he was. At Sunday's PPV everytime Cena got any offense he was booed so loudly. Even when he was hitting Chris Masters. Kurt Angle got the loudest cheers by a mile because he can WRESTLE, another thing that Cena just can't do. Another example of Cena getting booed was the beat the clock night. He was up against Shelton. Now Shelton hasn't even been on Raw for the majority of the year, he's been jobbing on heat and at the time wasn't sure whether he was a face or heel. And yet half the crowd was cheering for Shelton and not Cena. The half that was cheering for Cena had high-pitched voices, so they were either women or children and since you're such a big supporter of Cena you must be one of those two as well, Mr. You're 13 so you know nothing.

I'm pretty sure that at WM20 Benoit was just as over as Cena was at WM21.

In conclusion Cena sucks and is not a rebel. He's a follower/wannabe at best. If you want your new rebel your best chance is with Kurt Angle. Turn him face, let him remain really vicious and make sure he doesn't give a shit about anyone (i.e. GMs, owners, other wrestler and the crowd). There's your next Stone Cold if there was anyone.

Cena was a member of the bad writers club. He got cut off at the knees on Raw. No more freestyles, no more edgyness, and thankfully he dropped the diaper raps. He had Brian Gerwitz writing his shit, don't remember him? Do the words 'Katie Vick' bring back memories? WWE backed themselves in a corner with Cena. Jericho and Angle are ungodly over whether they push him heel, face, gay, bi, left, or right, and having Cena face Angle 4,500 times every Raw didn't help either. And Cena isn't as much to blame for this problem too. Angle is a ticking time bomb. He tries to hide the fact that he's not injured, and we all know its not true. Just one move, one move, and he's either dead or paralyzed. WWE had the chance to make Orton champion at Smackdown, because quite frankly, Orton/Rey would be money for Mania. Hell, he could've defended against Benoit in retaliation for the Best of 7 Series ordeal.

And lets face it, this "Anti-America/Serious" Kurt is a clown. Plain and simple. Drop the act and go back to the milk-loving, geeky Kurt.

[Stare]

The WWE pushed the guy as the top face, and they gave you every reason to cheer for him. He was on our side, a voice for the people, and he fought for us. Why did people begin to boo him? Cause he sucks in the ring. It's that simple.

Was he badly booked? You're damn right. He faced Angle at consectuive ppv's. But, that's not the reason he's boo'ed, cause Angle has lost to Cena at all these ppv's, and has fought Cena over and over as well, and if anything, he is getting cheered more and more.

Wrestling fans, in my opinion, are beginning to get tired of the overuse of the entertainment aspect. We still want it, but it's becoming too much of a focal point over the wrestling. We're wanting to cheer the guys who can actually wrestle, and have decent mic work.

The only exception to that, in my view, is Batista. I think the main reason he got over is becuase he's the big, strong badass, and that's been big always in wrestling, and the WWE isn't supporting the fact that faces with heelish qualities are the big thing.

[eCo]

aladdin said:

Ha! You've run our of bullshit and now you're just talking pure crap, which are technically the same thing but ya get what i mean.

So Smarks have "found some twisted and evil way to poison" the minds of the marks. Hmm... sounds like these smarks must be magicians according to your logic.

Cena is no where near the calibur of Stone Cole. Austin fucked around with Vince in a bad ass way, not giving a shit what anyone thought. He got over because he was extreme and the fans loved that, not just because he defied the boss. In your world, he could have simply said no to the boss and gotten over. But that isn't what he did. He would stun him, talk shit about him and act like the witty son of a bitch that he is. Cena on the other hand goes to bischoff and calls him a "poo poo head". And says that he blows and that he's gay. Wow! Like no-one else does that. Cena sucks up to the crowd, something that Stone Cold never did. Austin never said he's doing anything for the people. And the worst thing about Cena is that he overacts so damn much. You could see, before the elimination chamber when he was just looking at it, he was gulping and bulging his eyes and everything about him just shouted out fake. Then he comes out on Raw and startswaving his hands around like an idiot. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? For Austin it seemed like it was natural.

And are you deaf or something? Can you not hear all the booing that he's getting. Lawler even said that he was. At Sunday's PPV everytime Cena got any offense he was booed so loudly. Even when he was hitting Chris Masters. Kurt Angle got the loudest cheers by a mile because he can WRESTLE, another thing that Cena just can't do. Another example of Cena getting booed was the beat the clock night. He was up against Shelton. Now Shelton hasn't even been on Raw for the majority of the year, he's been jobbing on heat and at the time wasn't sure whether he was a face or heel. And yet half the crowd was cheering for Shelton and not Cena. The half that was cheering for Cena had high-pitched voices, so they were either women or children and since you're such a big supporter of Cena you must be one of those two as well, Mr. You're 13 so you know nothing.

I'm pretty sure that at WM20 Benoit was just as over as Cena was at WM21.

In conclusion Cena sucks and is not a rebel. He's a follower/wannabe at best. If you want your new rebel your best chance is with Kurt Angle. Turn him face, let him remain really vicious and make sure he doesn't give a shit about anyone (i.e. GMs, owners, other wrestler and the crowd). There's your next Stone Cold if there was anyone.

....wow

First off, I was only joking around what I said about the smarks, but you were talking as if I actually believe they have some evil superpower. My point was that, some of the shit they believe in trikles down into the main stream crowd and it DOES spread. Take 2002-3 for example. Smarks were spewing out crap saying how The Rock had no respect for the sport because he was making movies, but at the same time they were praising Brock Lesnar. For that the crowd was booing The Rock and going crazy for Brock Lesnar. The smarks had no idea what they were talking about, but their shit still caught on with the rest of the crowd.

Cena can be compared to Austin. What you have to understand is that I see things in black and white squares. If someone has a blue collared image, and speaks out against the owner, then to my eyes he/or she automatically counts as a rebel. If anything I was never fond of Austin back in the day. I still viewed him as a heel because he did things that went against my tradional view of the face. Cena is a rebel, but at the same time, is within the boundary of a tradional face, and to me, that is a great thing. In your ethics, wrestlers can beat up their wives, and attack innocent people and still be considered a face.

As for everything spelling out fake about Cena, I don't know if you know this or not but wrestling's fake. Now, I'm sorry I had to say this to you kid, but any owner with common sense would choose a wrestler who has limited wrestling ability but a great character, over a wrestler with superior skill but no character. As for Cena not having any fans, he still has fans, and not just women and kids. Has it ever occured to you that some men like him so much that they gave out pitching screams. I know a number of full grown men who like Cena.

Oh and your idea of making Kurt Angle a rebel face is absolutely horrid. Ok, Stare is right about fans getting sick of the storyline aspect, and the WWE will go back to more of a sport genre, just like the WM20 days. However, fans will get sick of that too (and probably faster), because these days fans demand something new month by month.

The reason why it is such a shitty idea to make Kurt a face, is that he makes up the ideal version of the top heel, right along with HHH. He is someone EVIL who would do anything to get what he wants (such as the title), while at the same time, he is fearless and dangerous. He is someone that would have made me pull the blanket covers over eyes if I was 6 years old. I truly think that Cena v/s Angle was the best fued Raw had in 2005, even better than HHH v/s Batista. While Angle was ruthless and evil, Cena was the rebel who fought for the people, and Bischoff was the tyrant that supported Angle. It was a classic example of good versus evil.

That is the key word here:

Good versus Evil

[Faster Pussycat!]

Eco, you really should check out Ring of Honor. Their faces stand for good, clean, nobility of wrestling, and their heels stand for the exact opposite, money, fame, and shortcuts. They have pretty clear cut heels and faces, in fact, last year one of their top heels was an evil, mycologist, corrupt African prince who got booed to no end. And on top of that, ROH has the best wrestlers, the best feuds, and the best angles in the U.S.

You should really check them out, I think you’d be pleasantly surprised if you did.