THE "OTHER" ANNOUNCEMENT

[brockandsable]

Okay, so the "announcement" was made and just as expected, no one in the least is surprised. Anyway, just as things were looking up for the "A" show (E2 on the verge of winning his first World Title, Aladdin setting new records with the RAGE title, Reece Somers becoming a star, Keith Williams got a new hat, JuncoJunky, etc., etc., etc.,) Stare goes and pulls the plug. Terrific.

I feel as if I can now say this out in the open, but _the j-man has been an absentee landlord as "writer" for TNT and I don't like it. Nik, I don't know how else to get your attention because you don't check your email or your PM(S) so some of us are left at a standstill.

I can't help but to think the "true" reason I wasn't picked as head writer for TNT is, not that Aladdin didn't want to hand it to me, but he was pressured by the higher powers not to because giving E2 mod status would mean all hell will break loose. Quite frankly, Reaper is flat out against such a thing. That banning last November will never be forgiven and blah, blah, blah, I'll shut the fuck up about it already.

Anyway, p2pw has been a pleasure. It has been fun entertaining the masses with "long winded" posts, pictures, and other stuff that became morbidly unfunny as time went on. So now it's decision time. Blitz on hold means TNT is on hold. And though I can't help but to think the success of Unsanctioned Saturday and the unprecedented return of Theory stung certain people in the heart and this whole thing was a well thought-out, methodical plan.

It's no secret that I am twisting Shinn's Theory's arm to come back here because he had this place in control. Then the fed split (which a year ago many of us were saying would destroy p2pw but were sourly ignored) came - looks genius now, right?

Call me an asshole. I am. Call me an ass. Thank you. But call me throwing in the towel and I would agree. I've about had it. And I think, unless I am way off, this is what certain people wanted. I just want to hear from the TNTers now. No bullshit. What do we do now? Do we focus our attention on ELITE and say to hell with this place, or do we hang on and hope for a miracle.....?

[Your Morality Enforcer]

Having read up on this, my general feeling is p2pw is far from doomed. Yes, we've been dealt several tough blows, but I think there is one clear reason why that has happened: We put all the pressure on two men who in the end couldn't take it much longer. We've got a lot of guys who will happily help shows, and a lot of guys who regularly do, but we have one target for both brands, and that confuses me. We don't need to think up one person who can drag us out of this mess, we need a team effort on both brands.

I honestly can't see why TNT has to die because Stare has decided to call it time on 2+ years. Ok, maybe the merger is the short-term solution, but who the hell wants to write the reunited shows? You have to build two rosters worth of characters, get a load of continuing ideas over and have roughly 8 or 9 feuds all going on at once, while giving as many people as possible a run out in matches.You want a nail in the coffin, unite the brands and then your only hope is a load of people do up and quit, because who has to write that will go mad within a month.

I don't know Shinn's effect here, so I won't comment much on that option, but again, we can't rely on some messiah who may or may not be coming to save us here.

My proposal? Each show no longer has one writer doing everything. Each show has three writers dedicated in three different areas:

-Promos and Angles: This writer makes sure he recieves items and writes his own stuff to go on the shows.
-Matches: This guy writes matches and also arranges others to write matches.
-Head Booker: This guy books feuds and matches, works as an editor, merging the promos and matches into a smooth-flowing show, and runs the public face of the brand.

p2pw dies if you all either throw in the towel collectively right now, or dies some point in the future if you repeat the mistakes of the past and look to one guy to do it all. I've thrown my name into the hat as a writer, I could do either show, but I think that is a structure that works, and might even speed up shows to a respectable pace again.

[Stare]

Just want to clarify something to Elijah. The fact that you have not become a mod has nothing to do with the fact that you had been banned, but it has a lot to do with the way you conduct yourself around here. You seem like you get in the mood to piss us off purposely about once a month by doing something you know you shouldnt do. Nobody else on the board has had personal spats with half the board, and if you think someone like that should be in charge, then you're out of your mind.

No, I would not be in favor of you being assigned the spot of writer, mostly due to the fact that Aladdin wrote most of the first show you were assigned, and the fact that you would need to be given mod status for such a thing to happen. But, like I stated, it's not my place to assign the job at the moment, that's just my opinion.

It's no secret that I am twisting Shinn's Theory's arm to come back here because he had this place in control. Then the fed split (which a year ago many of us were saying would destroy p2pw but were sourly ignored) came - looks genius now, right?

Sourly ignored? The whole reason we had a vote was because it seemed to be a split decision. And guess what, the split was voted by a larger number to go through, but I guess their opinions don't matter because they didn't share yours', right?

I will tell you right now why things are going down hill at the fed. It's the same reason all efed's struggle. It's the same reason PWA, a efed that used to be HUGE, has dwindled in the past years. It's simply because wrestling isn't as big as it was years ago.

Not as many people are joining wrestling discussion boards anymore, because there's not as many wrestling fans, which directly affects our efed.



As for your criticizing of me. Yeah, guess what, I've been writing for over 2 years, and I've been at it while 3 writers went through the other show. After one show that you didnt even write most of (you shoudl be sucking Aladdin's dick), you told me that you understand how hard it is to get a show together . . . now try it for over 2 years, and see if you don't burn out eventually as well.

I'll go ahead and give the posters the low-down on things, I believe that P2PW is in your hands or it's over. It's been dwindling since before Fever 2 . . . and it's been slowly going down for a while. I also think we're out of people who will write shows as a full-time writer (at least for a good duration of time, like we need).

P2PW has been going downhill since the Sole Survivor before Fever 2 as far as the amount of people we have goes, mostly because that was about the time that wrestling started it's downward spiral. So, if you want it to go on, then you shoudl get up and offer to help, like Reece said.

[brockandsable]

Like Theory stated to me this morning, you're a quitter. You quit before Fever One and here you are quitting on us again. Nothing you say has value anymore. As for my moods and "purposely" pissing people off, you have an alter ego as well. The first Jacob is a cool guy to PM, and that other guy is the devil himself. But since you're a documented quitter, nothing you say has value anymore. So fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

[Faster Pussycat!]

brockandsable said:

stung certain people in the heart

[Stare]

brockandsable said:

Like Theory stated to me this morning, you're a quitter. You quit before Fever One and here you are quitting on us again. Nothing you say has value anymore. As for my moods and "purposely" pissing people off, you have an alter ego as well. The first Jacob is a cool guy to PM, and that other guy is the devil himself. But since you're a documented quitter, nothing you say has value anymore. So fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

You're opinions are your own. And yes, you exploited by biggest insecurity here, which is people thinking of me as nothing more than a quitter. It's one of the reasons I hesitated to quit.

But, I'll let this echo throughout this place. When this board was started by me, I wrote for this fed and got new shows up EVERY Tuesday for a good 4 or 5 months. I would challenge any one person to ever be able to do that and not miss a beat. Yeah, I quit everything. I had problems in my own life, and I quit.

So, I missed it and decided to come back. Thanks to Shinns and Rocky mainly, I was let back, and I have been doing this for the past 2+ years.

I've given of my own free time for anyone who was participating's enjoyment, and if you don't appreciate it, that's fine, because I didn't do it for your approval. But, if anyone here wants to call me a quitter, then fuck you, cause if that is your take on things, I don't care about your opinion in the slightest.

As for Shinn's calling me a quitter . . . dear kettle, you're black. I have nothing against Shinn's quitting, and that is not a shot at Shinns, because he'd been doing it just as long as I have, but the situations are very close to being the same, because I had talked to Shinns numerous times, and he was getting very burned out around the time that he "left".

The only reason I'm nice to you in pm's is cause you are nice in pm's. The reason I'm a dick to you on teh boards is because your'e a dick to me. Simple as that. Want proof? Ask anyone else here if I'm any different to them in pm's then I am on the boards, cause I guarantee you won't find a soul.


If you have a reply to this, I'd suggest taking it to pm with me, cause I won't be replying to you here, I'll be giving you a warning. I'm not going to give you a warning for your last post, and consider that professional courtesy, cause I respect your involvement on the board, but do not force me to be "the devil himself" as you put it.

[brockandsable]

I could prove to the board to do a show a week; God knows that's what I want. But the power and freedom to do so isn't there. But I think we're both mature enough to let this one ride, homeslice. You've said your share and I've said mine.

[Stare]

E2, the complete card to the Blitz! PPV is up. The preview for the show is there. The storylines should be easy to continue.

If you want to write this Blitz!'s results all on your own, I'm perfectly fine with that. Just pm it to me when you're done, and I'll post it . . . no problem. If anything else, it'd be a nice gesture to the board. If you want to do so, by all means, you have my permission to finish the show I started. You don't have to do it in a week, though I would definetly be impressed.

[brockandsable]

Me do the B-show? You kidding me?

The fuck is Blitz!?

[Stare]

brockandsable said:

I could prove to the board to do a show a week; God knows that's what I want. But the power and freedom to do so isn't there.

Thanks for making my point for me.

[brockandsable]

Thanks for being a quitter.

[Aladdin]

Yeah, i think we should stop this now. Enough is enough.

I want to see what everyone's opinion is on this, so enough of the arguing.

It would be good for as many people as possible to vote on this (including all the staff) and for everyone to give their opinion on what should be done. Reece's post was very helpful and he has some good ideas. What does everyone else suggest?

[Scream]

Enough is enough. E2 I like you man but sometimes you need to just stop the personal attacks. I don't consider Stare a quitter. I do think Blitz! has been on hold for too long and needs to continue on. I'd be happy to take over Blitz. I have been here longer than most and feel I could be an asset. Just an option.


Stare has been nothing but professional, in my opinion, since I've known him. If he doesn't want to write anymore, so be it. But I think the whole should P2PW die is going the wrong way.

I will personally take it on my shoulders to reserruct Blitz. If the majority agree I'm down.

[Aladdin]

Thanks for your opinion, Scream.

Now, just to make myself clear on things. I want EVERYONE to give us their opinion on what should happen. This e-fed isn't just for a select number of people, it's for everyone who gets involved. So, i want to hear you all say. If you don't say anything, then i don't want to hear any complaining, months down the line, when you decide that you don't like the direction we've gone in. So for all the people who like to stay quiet and just go with whatever happens, i urge you to speak up.

[Reaper]

You want my honest opinion? Unless I see a real show of interest from somebody...anybody at this point other than E2. I'd almost have to drop this fucking thing. E2's intentions are quite obvious, but at the same time, this very threads premise and overall attitude he's given thus far shows why I am hesitant to make him a mod. Overall he seems to think everybody's against him, when its mainly been that he has been against everybody else. And as such, E comes off as a dick and a bit of shit starter. If he'd fuckin just calm his bullshit down it wouldn't be so bad, and I'd be a little more easy going saying "hey E, go ahead and take over for somebody".. but he has yet to show an ounce of discipline.

While it hasn't really been discussed yet, I can care less what time frame I have anymore. I was told that Nik (j-man) was given some options too, but I also heard that he was also on the verge of quitting too. Same reasons, it turns into a job, instead of fun. The few people that help tend to need prodding, or maybe they just don't do it... or they take forever. Its a burn out situation, but it can be helped given proper circumstances. Reece gave an excellent idea, which is what the hell was being shot for when the brand split happened and then when Shinns quit... and if you people want to argue over that, its because he and stare had a bitchfit together and Shinns up and ran out. Whatever, I wasn't even around that day until after the fact and by them, far too late.

Going back to J.. well I don't know what the fuck his story is, he was supposedly going to talk to me about it yesterday when he was on, but well... that never happened and I still don't have a clue what his intentions are, just the rumor. So anyways, I want to know who alls interested in writing these shows here. PM me, I'me here enough to get them and I'll see whats going on. Yes Even you E2 can PM your intentions yet again about the writing job, because at this point, I just want something happen.

EDIT: And as far as the "writers getting shit taken care of" go for it, right now I just want to see the interest level of the people that I've heard want to help out. I'm not going to overshadow a plan that is come up with, as long it doesn't take forever and a half to get it done. There, is that a little more clear?

[KillerSundin (Formerly HBK)]

I think Reece's idea was good. I couldn't keep up with any of that but I might be able to help with a match for this Blitz! since I have the week off.

[The Great JT]

I think that if we're gonna save P2P, we'll have to merge the brands of the fed and maybe re-tool the writing. Y'know, encourage the superstars to jump up and give the writers ideas.

[Reaper]

I don't think we HAVE to merge the brands IF we can get the general bunch of ideas going smoothly. And while it would certainly help in the short term to get a lot of people active the long run is a bit frightening, because I don't want to see what happened before the merge... a few people get A LOT of time while the few others that were hungry and waiting got very little action.

My opinion on a merge would be that the shows would almost have to be twice the length of the typical Blitz or TNT show and incorporpate a lot more people.

[Cactus]

brockandsable said:

Like Theory stated to me this morning, you're a quitter. You quit before Fever One and here you are quitting on us again. Nothing you say has value anymore. As for my moods and "purposely" pissing people off, you have an alter ego as well. The first Jacob is a cool guy to PM, and that other guy is the devil himself. But since you're a documented quitter, nothing you say has value anymore. So fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

First of, Elijah that was uncalled for, you were not around for Stare going after WF1 so you dont know what it was like in the early days of the board. Stare had this thing running smoothly for roughly a year ( not the 5 months he says ) then he burnt out and left, he never quit, he never deleted his account, he just let people know his reasons and left.

This time he has gone 2+ years and writing for a brand and ppv's and now he feels like its work, he is not obligated to do anything, nor does he have anything to prove to anyone.

( This was not a dig at you man )

Now onto the future and my 2 cents, I would like to endorse both Screams and Reece's idea's so I say let them two run with the ball and see what happens. Reece had some great idea's and Scream knows the core of blitz will help him out with matches etc.

Oh and another thing, I know Al asked us all to vote but i have not as the way my vote goes is not there, but for the record I vote we keep it as it as and as Reaper has said if we pull it together we can get it running again.

[Keith Williams]

I know that this isn't going to be a popular choice, but why don't you give E2 a global modship? Wait, hear me out. Instead of offering him a permanent staff membership, at least yet, why not give him a "trial" modship? Treat the global modship as you would any job. At any other job they give you a 90 day probationary period. Do the same here. Let E2 have his modship for 90 days. At the end of that time, the rest of the staff get together and discuss extending it. Also with it being temporary, it will be subject to termination at anytime when seen fit. In other words E2 screws up, his modship is gone.

[Stare]

Eventhough I don't see it happening, I think the better "trial" move would be to give him just a normal mod status of a certain forum and see how he does, given that Global Mods could screw the whole board up with some of their functions if the mood hit them right. The guy enjoys the place and does a lot to keep it running, but you don't have to be on staff to do that, and he also does a lot to put a damper on the places peacefulness as well.

In my opinion, E2 needs to show us he can be a mature poster before we can trust him to be a mature staff member.

[brockandsable]

floorstare said:

If you have a reply to this, I'd suggest taking it to pm with me, cause I won't be replying to you here.........

?

[Stare]

I wasn't discussing anything with you, E2. I was giving my opinion on what Keith said. Take what I said as constructive criticism, cause that's what it was meant to be.

But, you're right in that this isn't the thread to discuss those matters, so for that, I apologize.

[brockandsable]

It's okay.

I'm ready to move on and focus on p2pw.

[Scream]

Best thing I've heard all week!