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Post by brockandsable on Feb 6, 2007 22:55:38 GMT 1
I want to build off of this statement and take it a step further. Are you happy in P2PW? If not, what should we do (besides get shows up quicker) to make it better? SOUNDOFF First of all, I want to thank the small number of you who have exercised some serious patience with this place, and unfortunately, some of the patient ones (The Fizz, Snake, JT Blade, just to name a few) get the shaft when it comes to proper booking. I would like to apologize to all of you. If I had total control, I would involve some of the more faithful rather than who I simply think should get pushed. We've lost some good people in recent months like _the j-man, Reece Somers, JuncoJunky, and I don't want to see that list get any larger but the fucking writing is on the wall and I fear the day Reaper makes the announcement to pull the plug. I received an important PM from Scream today and it confirmed my fears: P2P is sinking and it's a matter of days here before ship hits bottom. However, if anyone was around at the time of the split, they remembered that I said it would ultimately kill P2PW and the board as a whole. Some could see, others refused to even look, but nevertheless, here we are. Aladdin, Stare, Scream, myself, and others out there bust our asses to produce these shows and it's disheartening when the turnout stinks or a newbie who could be really good leaves because we're TOO FUCKING SLOW. Before the split, shows were almost coming out weekly. I want that back. But the only way for that to happen is for us to merge. So here it is. You are the voice. Without you, the staff would have nothing to work with and I am not afraid to say it. Now it's your turn. Vote and do not shy away from stating your piece. (No flaming of course. ;D )
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Post by The Great JT on Feb 6, 2007 23:48:57 GMT 1
I'm with E2. Blitz gets put up way too slow. If we just re-merge the brands, I think things will move swifter and we'll get more active like days of two years ago.
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Post by Reaper on Feb 7, 2007 0:06:49 GMT 1
Does anybody ever have anything positive to fucking say...ever? Honestly anytime somebody posts about the fed, its always some negative, bad shit. The brand split DIDN'T slow the shit down, it was the fact that everybody and their mother either went on a collective vacation or 1 or 2 major players at the time opted to bitch the fuck out. Now what we really need is people not have problems... goddamn bunch of pussies.
Scream and Cactus I know have some shit going on, so whats the rest of the staffs excuse? I'm just curious. Stare is pulling the Reece Sommers Approach of dissapearing for days/weeks and not saying much about it. AND I said to remerge the brands before the big show, but it was the collective of Al and Stare that squashed that.... let me guess..changed your minds right?
I don't care what happens as long as something gets done.
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Feb 7, 2007 0:34:04 GMT 1
Personally I think if the split ends, going on with 2 shows would just be pointless. If the split ends I think we should just go to having 1 show, with everyone’s combined effort.
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Post by brockandsable on Feb 7, 2007 0:43:26 GMT 1
It's not negative Reaper, it's reality. Take a look around. But to be constructive, I would have it go a little something like this: One show, like Ninny suggested. Call it either P2PW TNT or P2PW Blitz!. We have one card and we bring back the tag team titles and merge the Internet and Fanatic titles. We take turns writing and p2pw superstars get a match every other week. We've got some good writers here and it could very well work out.
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Feb 7, 2007 1:07:36 GMT 1
I think all the writers should work on the unified show, just to make it move faster.
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Post by Reaper on Feb 7, 2007 1:09:57 GMT 1
I figured that was gonna be the plan. As long as it doesn't turn into another ELITE/FHT, because lets face it, eventually that runs into problems. They always start out with promise though, I gotta give it that, but only the die hards continue with them.
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Post by The Great JT on Feb 7, 2007 1:22:20 GMT 1
Yeah, I remember ELITE. That did get to be a headache.
If we do a unified show, I think we might need a new name for the show. Like "Monday Night Mayhem". Or "Thunderstruck Thursday" as an alternate to "Thursday Night Thunder". Maybe even "Wednesday Night Warzone".
And Reap, don't think we "patient" mid-carders don't appreciate what the writers do.
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Post by Reaper on Feb 7, 2007 3:49:30 GMT 1
When did I make a comment about the patience of you people? That was E2, I on the other hand, haven't even thought of closing down yet, but that was also said somewhere.... if you're going to talk about what I say, at least get it accurate first.
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Post by RAGE on Feb 7, 2007 12:15:36 GMT 1
As a newb, my first impression of the place is good. I like it and I've received a warm welcome. One of the first things I did when I signed up for the e-fed was to take a look at all the old shows. Yes, they were more consistent but from what I can see, P2PW has had several big fundamental changes whose effects are still being felt today. Slowly but surely, the problems are being overcome. It just takes time to find that new groove. I'm sure the e-fed will get there. As regards the brand split/merger, I can't possibly say as I have no first hand experience on the pros and cons. I've only got an idea. If more people want matches, then throw an extra 1 or 2 per show. If people think they're not getting a shot, have more number 1 contender matches for all titles. All these problems can be sorted. But it takes a lot of hard work on the part of the writers. Everyone reaches a point where they haven't got the passion anymore or the well runs dry. I think we should be listening to their needs first and foremost. If it makes their job easier, then it helps make it fun again. If they have fun writing the shows, more shows will be posted. That's what I think anyway.
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Post by Stare on Feb 8, 2007 23:28:50 GMT 1
Yes Reaper, I've been on hiatus and I apologize. Sorry for the come and go, but some things are more important than an efed. That's not me bashing this place, that's me just saying what should be obvious to everyone. If stuff in life comes up that I need to devote more attention to, whether it be a business I'm starting, a girl I'm planning a wedding with, a band that is discussing contract issues with a label, or anything else that directly effects me . . . yeah, you might see me here a little less.
Now, I've been showing up these past two days more frequently cause some things have slowed down, and I've been trying to get things planned for the fed. Last time I checked, my job as Head Booker was to plan the shows and cards, write a little if I can, and make sure things are moving smoothly. Since Cactus and Scream both also have some real life shit going on, I am in kind of a bind at the moment, and I apologize for that on behalf of them and myself as well, but people need to stop being so impatient.
If your life is so uneventful that not having an efed posted weekly ruins your week and causes you to complain, you need to re-evaluate things.
I'm going to be able to be here more over the next couple of weeks. Long-term solutions are being discussed as far as the fed goes, and yes, they include the very thing this thread is discussing. Feel free to offer helpful criticism, but don't complain.
With me, Cactus, Scream, E2, and Aladdin . . .that's a pretty decent writing team if it focuses on one show and making it a success instead of 2. That's what is being discussed. Be patient.
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Post by Reaper on Feb 8, 2007 23:33:20 GMT 1
I simply complained about your lack of letting me know that you were busy. Didn't need a book about why real life is more important than the e-fed. Get with the program.
EDIT: and rate the friggin promos too... goddamn rookie.
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Post by brockandsable on Feb 8, 2007 23:37:46 GMT 1
If your life is so uneventful that not having an efed posted weekly ruins your week and causes you to complain, you need to re-evaluate things. Just wondering out loud if that was necessary or not.
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Post by Stare on Feb 8, 2007 23:47:42 GMT 1
Why would that not be called for? If you put so much stock into an efed that you cause it to affect how your day is going, you are putting too much stock into it.
Does anyone disagree with that statement? I just don't see why it's necessary to take shots at the writing team cause "your show" isn't up.
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Post by Reaper on Feb 8, 2007 23:51:08 GMT 1
I take shots at people who don't inform me of shit... especially when I can easily relay it to other people so that it can worked around. Stop bitching, that goes for whoever decides to continue the conversation outside of whether or not a merge should go down.
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Post by Stare on Feb 9, 2007 0:00:03 GMT 1
FYI, that wasn't a shot at you or anyone imparticular.
I think a merge is a great idea with the state the fed is in.
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Post by Reaper on Feb 9, 2007 0:08:17 GMT 1
I don't really care who it was a "shot" at. End of story, that shits over now, we're going back to the original topic again. If you'd like to further that conversation with anybody, we still have a PM system.
And now that, the job aspect is out of the way, a merge would definately be a good thing, mainly for the writers, so that there is more brainstorming and more ideas flowing. As far as the talent goes, well I'm sure a few people will wind up getting left off shows, but thats something you deal with when it happens. You can't ALWAYS be on the show, and you aren't ALWAYS going to not be on the show. The quicker people understand that, the easier it is for the writers to do what they do.
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Post by Keith Williams on Feb 9, 2007 16:10:49 GMT 1
Well if plans for merging the two brands back together is in the serious discussion phase, perhaps the next joint ppv would be a good place to start the merger. Perhaps can have the lower title be merged. Have the Internet Champion vs the Fanatic Champion to have a Inter-fanatic champion or whatever crazy name you want to give the title.
I would say merge the Rage and International titles, but the way it is looking those champions will be facing the world champions at the ppv. And of course who would want to see Aladdin vs Reaper in a title unification match anyway?
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Post by brockandsable on Feb 21, 2007 23:48:26 GMT 1
The secret to writing a good promo is to think about your opponent and then order a large pizza that's peppered up with lots and lots and lots of mushrooms. Then sit down and write. When you're done, you can venture to the mirror and watch your pupils swell to the size of nickels.
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Post by Your Morality Enforcer on Feb 22, 2007 21:28:34 GMT 1
I was one of the guys who was saying we should keep them separate, but now I'm thinking it'll probably be better to merge the brands. I've got faith in the bookers to make the right decisions to allow people ringtime and sell the titles well, and our roster is starting to become somewhat thinned out anyway- The worry is, continue at the same rate with two shows and the whole point of the brand split, airing more talent, would become pointless.
What I will say is, if we merged the brands, shows will need to be quicker. No question about it at all, if shows are at the same rate with a merged brand, and talent only promoing some of the time, people will invariably start looking elsewhere. With the detail of the results currently, I'd say 1-2 weeks would be an achieveable target, and that includes from the moment the preview goes up, to when the results hit the webpage. If we can't hit that week after week when everyone is working on the same show, then we are in serious trouble. We may as well give it a go though, quicker output right now is far more important than trying to keep every single worker on the card every week.
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Post by brockandsable on Feb 22, 2007 22:57:39 GMT 1
Reaper's the boss, so the ball is in his court now.
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