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Post by juncojunky on Nov 16, 2006 1:19:27 GMT 1
I'd like to see the heel Batista again, but not as much as a heel Cena. Batista works better with the crowd I think as a face (at least I felt that reaction, when they came to St. Louie) compared to Cena who just makes you feel awkward when he tries to "Go Crazy" and still remain cool.
Batista could remain good for awhile, but I could agree with E2..
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Post by Stare on Nov 16, 2006 3:42:09 GMT 1
I dont see how Lashley leaving will make Batista turn heel. If anything, it seems like that'd work against that possibility.
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Post by Aladdin on Nov 16, 2006 15:59:02 GMT 1
^Exactly.
Lashley going to ECW just cements Batista as a permanent face.
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Post by brockandsable on Nov 19, 2006 20:02:27 GMT 1
I dont see how Lashley leaving will make Batista turn heel. If anything, it seems like that'd work against that possibility. I said the same thing when The Rock was leaving to film the Scorpion King after Wrestlemania X-7, anf the WWE went ahead and pulled the "Stone Cold" Steve Austin heel turn. There you had the two biggest faces in the company and one left and they turned the other heel. It corrupted things for a minute. On another note, I don't understand why they keep having Bastista job out King Booker just about ever other week. Ever since Wrestlemania, the World Champion has suffered more TV pinfalls than in all of 2004 and 2005. If they are serious about keeping the credibility of the belt, why do this?
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Post by Aladdin on Nov 19, 2006 20:33:04 GMT 1
That was Stone Cold's idea to turn heel. And the situation is different now. They don't have the combined rosters on each show anymore, so they don't have anyone who can really step up as the next big face. If Batista turns then who will take his place as a face long term? Benoit? WWE have made it clear that he's an upper mid-card guy and even if they decided to push him once again, his lack of charisma rules him out as a long term deal.
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Post by brockandsable on Nov 19, 2006 20:40:54 GMT 1
I'm glad someone on this board still has an interest in Smackdown; I was beginning to worry there, lol.
Let's see, possible long-term faces could include:
Kane Mr. Kennedy (if given the face turn) Finlay (crowd reaction him has been changing for months) King Booker (if they pulled the swap and cut out Sharmell saying "All Hail King Booker" 10,000 times.)
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Post by Aladdin on Nov 19, 2006 20:58:26 GMT 1
SD! is my fave show. Kane - No way. Not long term. First of all, he doesn't speak enough for that and he doesn't have that presence. Secondly, he's going to be quitting soon. Kennedy - He needs to stay a heel. He's excellent at it. I mean the guy just recently started to get some momentum going as a heel. Turning him would be silly. It would be reminiscant of Orton's World Title run. Finlay - He owns, but his cheers are only due to Little Bastard. He hasn't got the mic skill to be a top draw or presence. King Booker - His character is naturally a heel. Turning him would be silly. He's excellent as a heel. And turning someone because someone else turned is silly. Why turn someone who is great in their role just because of someone else. If Batista were to turn heel, they would need to elevate someone else. It's not like it matters anyway. he's not turning. He would be a terrible heel anyway. He isn't great on the mic, he isn't great in the ring. He's just so over with the crowd as a face.
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Post by brockandsable on Nov 19, 2006 21:01:21 GMT 1
And turning someone because someone else turned is silly. Why turn someone who is great in their role just because of someone else. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin/Bret "Hitman" Hart?
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Post by Aladdin on Nov 19, 2006 21:09:05 GMT 1
At that time people were more interisted in the anti-hero. Bret was a clear cut hero. He turned, because he was no longer great in the role of a face.
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Post by brockandsable on Nov 19, 2006 21:11:34 GMT 1
He would be a terrible heel anyway. He isn't great on the mic, he isn't great in the ring. He's just so over with the crowd as a face. I once had a dream there was this group called Evolution that dominated the storylines on the flagship show.
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Post by Stare on Nov 20, 2006 6:51:38 GMT 1
^I didnt understand that, but I agree with most of what Aladdin said, except for Finlay.
I think Finlay could work as a face, and I think the turn will happen. The fans have been getting into him recently, even before Little Bastard comes out.
His turn would need to be handled well if it would work to make him a MAIN face, and that's something I dont think the writers have been doing well.
For now, Batista is all they have. They have more credible heels at the moment, and they should give the strap to Batista for the sake of not having a 8 match feud between him and Booker. As much as I dont like Batista, it's the right thing to do at the moment.
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Post by Aladdin on Nov 20, 2006 15:40:17 GMT 1
Yeah, i agree that he could be a good face, just not the main face. And i didn't understand what E2 said either.
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Post by brockandsable on Nov 20, 2006 17:09:53 GMT 1
I was simply retorting to your statement that Batista would not make a good heel by pointing out that Evolution was the top heel faction in the WWE from 2003 to early 2005. One of the members of that faction was named David Batista. Geez, and I thought I was the alcoholic here.
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Post by Aladdin on Nov 20, 2006 17:20:26 GMT 1
Well, Batista was hardly a great heel. As a heel he can't be World Champ.
WHen he was in Evolution he was just back up. He was never someone who could stand alone as a heel.
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Post by Simz on Nov 20, 2006 17:31:31 GMT 1
I really don't like the idea of taking the title off Booker. He has been the greatest champ since JBL. I'm really enjoying his title run and I would feel cheated out of it if he doesn't make it to mania as Champ. But at the moment the WWE are really strugling for a contender. I would say at Armageddon Kane takes on Booker, it would be intresting and pretty good main event.
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Post by brockandsable on Nov 25, 2006 23:30:34 GMT 1
HOORAH!!!
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HOORAH!!
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HOORAH!!
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The Miz is a goon. ;D
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Post by Aladdin on Nov 26, 2006 0:18:52 GMT 1
I can't stand him.
He has probably the worst finisher ever.
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Post by brockandsable on Nov 26, 2006 1:06:47 GMT 1
That whole match against the Boogeyman was bullshit.
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Post by Aladdin on Nov 26, 2006 1:16:55 GMT 1
Didn't watch it.
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Post by eCo on Nov 27, 2006 19:19:57 GMT 1
I totally agree with Aladdin on almost all of his comments about Batista. In my opinion, I think Batista is like the Big Show, that is unless he is a thug in a stable, he is better off as a face when he is alone. I think Batista will and should be a permanent face.
As for Kane: WHOA he is on Smackdown! now? Now I know I have been living under a rock, also along with Lashley going to ECW along with this Selvester Turkay and Ellijah Brooks. Now Kalhi is going to ECW. I really missed out on A LOT.
I don't like the idea of Finlay turning face. He makes a perfect criminal heel.
As for other questions, is Rey still having that feud with Chavo? is Vickie actually part of the Smackdown! roster, and where is Beniot?
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Post by juncojunky on Nov 28, 2006 3:45:20 GMT 1
Rey pretty much up and left due to a leg injury by Chavo in an I Quit Match. Vickie is part of the roster (sadly..) and Benoit is back and is US CHAMP.. Does that rock have no TV?
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Post by Trent Matsunoshin on Nov 29, 2006 3:04:41 GMT 1
Smackdown thoughts...
What does everyone think of MVP? It's really a good gimmick, and so far he seems like a pretty good wrestler...
That match against Kendrick showed exactly why William Regal is STILL a top 5 wrestler in terms of skills in ALL of the WWE.... I like the addition of Squire Dave Taylor from the old WCW days as his goon/tag partner....
Speaking of Kendrick, the fact that he and London are the Tag Champs shows that they might really be working on the Tag Titles for both shows...with Regal and Taylor feuding with them and all the tag teams that seem to be popping up (Hardyz, MNM, Rated RKO, those guys with the Kilts, etc....), the tag division actually looks promising.
The Yang-Time still rules ass, as Cowboy Yang was still pretty impressive against Noble, that feud really looks like money....
Why are they still making money off Eddy's funeral? Didn't Chavo quit? And what's the deal with Vickie Guerrero? And why is Benoit wasting a US Title run on them? Shouldn't he be facing Kane or somebody??
That's all....
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Post by brockandsable on Jan 21, 2007 3:37:08 GMT 1
It seems as if hard work and the respect factor really do payoff in the long run as the Undertaker received the loudest pop of the night when he made his way to the ring to face Mr. Kennedy (and yet again, they did not let him do his microphone bit which substantially takes away from his chacracter.) If Undertaker is going one on one with Batista at Mania, he definitely does not need a Rumble win to get there as he is over (if not the most over) man on SD! right now.
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Post by brockandsable on Feb 24, 2007 4:05:29 GMT 1
Little Bastard hitting the mini DDT and then pinning the Boogeyman is the funniest thing I've seen in a WWE ring in years.
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Post by RAGE on Feb 26, 2007 13:51:15 GMT 1
So Batista has gone heel? Had to happen. No-one is going to boo Taker. Especially at Mania. But will Taker win the belt? I hope he does, as it's rumoured that this is his last Mania. And what a way to go out...But I can't see it. Personally I can see a screwy finish to this one. Taker will win by DQ (keeping the belt on Batista and keeping Taker's perfect score intact) which will lead to Taker chasing Batista over the next couple of months. One thing though. Keep Mark Henry away from this match! I can't shake the feeling that at some point I'll see him waddling in. If Batista loses by DQ, I want to see him do it by going completely nuts on Taker.
But the whole thing leaves Smackdown down on the face front. Finlay is a great wrestler but he'll never be a top face. Booker's been there and not quite done that. Kane...Meh! Kennedy needs to get over more as heel before he can fully turn. Benoit is stagnating with the US Title and I'd like to see him chase Batista for the title but he's not a long term bet as things stand. Who's left? Taker's not got much left. Rey will never recover after his disasterous World Title reign. The only other alternative is if someone moves over...Cena perhaps?
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