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Post by Trent Matsunoshin on Jun 26, 2007 21:51:58 GMT 1
Man this is fucked....
What's the whole deal with the Bibles left by the bodies? That could be a clue into foul play, and in turn could make the investigation a triple-homicide rather than a murder-suicide.
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Post by juncojunky on Jun 26, 2007 21:56:25 GMT 1
Sad indeed .. and yet another finger pointed at the steroid scandal. As soon as I logged in this morning, I look at MSN.com whamo! Murder Suicide Suspected -Was 'Roid Rage' a Factor? Chris Benoit will be missed no matter what the circumstances. I remember my first live Wrestling show, back in the WCW days. Benoit couldn't of had a better match. Flying head but here, Sharpshooter there, 4 Horsemen in action ... Slamboree was unbelievable. We all have our moments, and no wrestling telecast can take that away. This was the story I read.. news.aol.com/sports/story/_a/wrestler-benoit-family-dead/20070626091709990001It picks apart the family secrets. Telling the folks of interest that he really wasn't a family man. That his ex-wife had a big problem with him, anger issues, and much more leading up to, and before, the murder. Makes you want to question the fairy tales WWE feeds to it's audiences.
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Post by RAGE on Jun 26, 2007 22:09:40 GMT 1
It's saddening to think that at Vengeance when the crowd were going nuts, screaming "WE WANT BENOIT!" during the ECW Championship Match, both he and his family were dead.
One thing I know, we'll see what Vince is really made of with all this. How they handle this is paramount to how people will now continue to see the WWE product. And it's a position I do not envy in the slightest. Do they turn their back and erase Benoit from existence? What can they do? As no matter which course they take, it's not gonna feel 100% right. Do you remember him for the life he lived or for just the last 48 hours? It's a hard call for anyone.
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Post by juncojunky on Jun 26, 2007 23:45:04 GMT 1
It would inconsiderably low to erase him off of everything WWE ... He did do something unforgiving (from what we know, just putting it out there) but that's no reason to erase a possible WWE Legend.
Benoit did this on his free time. I know that sounds undoubtedly sick but, it wasn't WWE business .. what I'm trying to say this wasn't the Canadian Crippler, this was the man - Chris Benoit. Doing this would be like proclaiming there was no Holocaust, which still happens.
But who knows, WWE won't allow a single 'WWF' sign in any of their home movies or any of their current merchandise. It could happen. Personally, I think it would be a big mistake.
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Post by Simz on Jun 27, 2007 1:03:32 GMT 1
I saw this just 24 hours ago as I checked the vengeance results. And whoa is this the most fucked up thing in wrestling ever or what? I watched a bit of the show and really didn't know what to make of it. SCSA talked about how beniot wouldn't let people know if he had a problem. So I'm guessing that everybody knew what we know now. Was Beniot all just a shy act? What has happened really shows that this guy bottled stuff up and was a different person on the surface. Is there a chance he was schizophrenic as this sounds like it. I feel sorry for others but in the end, what he did was a selfish act and all that has happened to me, is something that I'm totaly against. No Matter who you were. We all know that we aren't being told a WHOLE lot of stuff and will never he cleared up. The Beniot conspiracy might never end.
I've gotten over it really, it's a sad thing for me that I am. But I am at THAT school that had 3 suicides in as many weeks. I've gotten over this stuff as I've had to move on every Monday morning when somebody I knew has taken his life.
Looking back, yes he was a great wrestler who did what he did well and do so for a healthy time span. But he will never he remembered was what he was meant to be remembered as. Chris Beniot, the hard working, quiet legend who was one of the best wrestlers to lace up the boots, the ultimate professional. What was until Friday. It just wasn't meant to be. All we want to know is why this shit has happen to this icon? But we might never know. It's a real shame and a huge test for WWE as a whole. Really hope they get through it. I know that this ain't really remebering him, so I'm sorry if this does offend. Please delete if demeded to be. I can understand how this is affecting other people.
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Post by Aladdin on Jun 27, 2007 2:53:22 GMT 1
I hate to say it, but the only people I'm sorry that are dead now are Daniel and Nancy. They did not deserve that. Chris, he killed his family for god sake. His seven year old child. I'm fucking 18, and I can't ever imagine that I would harm my child. How can you kill your child? I don't know how to feel about him. One of my favourite wrestlers, i seemingly selfless character, a wrestler who's peers talked about in the highest regard but he commits a heinous crime. Do you feel sorry for him?
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Post by Rocky on Jun 27, 2007 4:35:17 GMT 1
Anything I felt for Chris Benoit vanished when I couldn't bring myself to make any more excuses for him, or to create scenarios that would put him in the clear. I invented a few, but that's all they were. Inventions of my own mind. I didn't want to believe. Now I seemingly have no choice but too. None of us do. Innocent until proven guilty? He's guilty until proven Innocent. And that's the harsh reality of things. His crimes will be what he is most remembered for. Not his amazing talent. I'm having a hard time remembering how good he was myself, because when I try to think of any good of his life, I struggle to see past what he has done. And I'm convinced he did it. I'm annoyed that I'm so sure, but when the evidence is as blatant as day, you have to stop hiding behind your admiration and admit the truth. He's no better than any other murderer. And the world is a better place without those who take lives in a selfish and unforgivable manner.
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Post by Cactus on Jun 27, 2007 12:39:57 GMT 1
there is always a chance it could have been a tripe murder . . . . . I doubt it but that is still a possability
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Post by RAGE on Jun 27, 2007 13:44:53 GMT 1
As much as I want that to be true, Cactus, I think we'd be clutching at straws if we thought that for a second.
It's things like this that make you question everything. And I wonder if after the dust has settled as much as it can on this, can I ever call myself a wrestling fan again? Can I get as much joy from watching it as I used to? Benoit was a reason for that. To be honest, with the way the product has been going for a few years, plus this latest and greatest tragedy on top, I don't think I can. I could watch it and appreciate the work but I don't think I would be able to get emotionally involved anymore.
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Post by Cactus on Jun 27, 2007 15:58:31 GMT 1
I personlly will remember Chris Beniot the wrestler, the maddeing 48 tragic hours that led to his ( and his family's ) ultimate demise
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Jun 27, 2007 16:38:13 GMT 1
I'm really dissapointed over all of this, I really want the police to be wrong on this, but I doubt they are. I still want to wait for the toxicology report to come back though.
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Post by Red Ninja on Jun 27, 2007 16:52:32 GMT 1
I'm personally one of those conflicted fans, I would like to remember Benoit as a great wrestler and Canadian hero, but he did kill his family there is no pardoning that any way you look at it.
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Post by Cactus on Jun 27, 2007 17:18:07 GMT 1
thats what we need to distingish, Beniot the sports entertainer gave you the memories but Beniot the man comitted these heinous crimes
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Post by McKenna on Jun 27, 2007 18:39:31 GMT 1
Okay, this comes from rajah.com
one of the text messages Benoit sent on Saturday night said
Dogs are locked in the pool compund, side garage door is open
tells me he knew what he had done, and what he was going to
Let's face facts. The man went from hero to killer overnight. People will blame steroids, but to do this the way he did, and the time line (almost 36 hours) shows pre-meditation. If he lost the plot, in anger, you reach for the knife drawer. you dont sit down and think how to do it.
This was planned, maybe not over weeks and months, but this was still planned.
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Post by Cactus on Jun 27, 2007 19:02:10 GMT 1
which is what i said to you last night, rage means go nuts and grab a knife, keep punching till there is nothing left to punch, what has happened is, is my opinion cold and calculated, which gives me the faintest glimmer of hope that it was a triple murder, not murder/suicide, the text messages might have been from an unkown assialant who wanted the bodies found.
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Post by Reaper on Jun 27, 2007 20:30:03 GMT 1
It would have to be one hell of a person to be able to pull this off... I'm talking cold movie style murderer that you'd see on screen... Benoit is no slouch, and neither was his wife. Plus the dogs would be hell to go through, but for this to have been a triple murder. The person or persons would have to have been in good with the family, been strong enough to handle 2 people, especially Benoit, and there would have been somebody that would have seen another vehicle there at some point.
And yes I'm one of those that would hope that this is possible... but it'd simply be trying to live in a fantasy world. We're all just going to have to face the fact that a hero for some people and a bringer of entertainment has betrayed not only himself and his family, but also everybody he's ever touched through what he did as a perfomer by committing this horrible act.
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Post by McKenna on Jun 27, 2007 21:19:02 GMT 1
credit wwe.com
WWE/Benoit timeline Written: June 26, 2007On Saturday, June 23, Chris Benoit was slated to appear at a WWE live event in Beaumont, Texas. That afternoon, Benoit contacted WWE to inform them that his wife and child were ill, and that he would not be able to attend the show.
WWE executives rebooked Benoit’s flight for the following morning, allowing Benoit to miss the Beaumont event making alternate arrangements for him to attend the pay-per-view event in Houston on Sunday.
WWE employees attempted to confirm with Benoit his travel plans but were unable to contact him.
Early Sunday morning, between 3:51 and 3:58 a.m., Benoit sent five text messages to co-workers:
Text Message 1 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53 a.m.) - Chris Benoit’s cell phone “My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215” Text Message 2 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53 a.m.) - Chris Benoit’s cell phone “The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open”
Text Message 3 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:54 a.m.) - Nancy Benoit’s cell phone “My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”
Text Message 4 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:55 a.m.) - Nancy Benoit’s cell phone “My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"
Text Message 5 to one co-worker (sent 6/24 at 3:58 a.m.) - Nancy Benoit’s cell phone “My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”
Throughout the day on Sunday, WWE made numerous attempts to contact Benoit both at home and at local hospitals in the Atlanta area. As of 11 p.m., WWE officials were unable to establish contact with Chris Benoit.
At 12:30 p.m. on Monday, June 25, WWE officials were notified of the text messages sent to the co-workers the previous day. By 12:45 p.m., WWE had contacted Fayette County Sheriff’s office requesting they check on the Benoit family.
Fayette County Sheriff's office made contact with WWE at approximately 4 p.m. advising that they had entered the house of Chris Benoit and found three deceased bodies – an adult male, adult female and a male child. WWE was told that Benoit’s home was now considered a major crime scene.
The decision to cancel the live event scheduled in Corpus Christi that night was made between 4 and 5 p.m. In keeping with company policy, and with limited knowledge regarding facts of the case, WWE chose to air a memorial dedicated to the career of Chris Benoit. As facts emerged surrounding the case, all tributes to Chris Benoit were removed both on-air and on WWE.com.
there is also a more detailed timeline on wwe.com
there have also been reports that Daniel suffered from a genetic disorder, and they found needle marks in his arms. Also there have been reports that a choke hold was used to strangle both of them.
For fuck's sake this gets more and more surreal by the minute
also from wwe.com
A message from the Chairman Written: June 26, 2007The following message from Vince McMahon aired at the beginning of Tuesday's ECW on Sci Fi:
Last night on Monday Night Raw, the WWE presented a special tribute show, recognizing the career of Chris Benoit. However, now some 26 hours later, the facts of this horrific tragedy are now apparent. Therefore, other than my comments, there will be no mention of Mr. Benoit tonight. On the contrary, tonight's show will be dedicated to everyone who has been affected by this terrible incident. This evening marks the first step of the healing process. Tonight, the WWE performers will do what they do better than anyone else in the world – entertain you.
Massive props to Vince McMahon, for the way he is handling this.
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Post by eCo on Jun 27, 2007 21:22:40 GMT 1
At the moment the only people I feel sympathy for right now is Nancy and Daniel, Chris Beniot is not a hero or deserves a hero's funeral. Now I hear all of this information that he was actually a cruel husband and father. This is disturbing that a man we once called a hero use his physical advantage to kill his wife and a day later killed his son. What also disturbs me is how the WWE can easily protray anyone, no matter how horrible they are in real life, as heroes and this makes you wonder about all wrestlers. Most of them are on pain killers, and used steriods at least once. I just can't see how people can deify or express Beniot as a hero after this. I haven't been watching wrestling lately for a bunch of things that are going on in my life. It is a tragedy that a innocent mother and child had to die, but as for Beniot, I could care less.
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Post by Rocky on Jun 27, 2007 21:43:15 GMT 1
Wrestlers are seen to many as heroes. But at the same time, they are actors. If a well known Hollywood actor was a complete arsehole to his wife and kids, perhaps beating them up, you'd probably still go to watch their movie. The WWE and Vince McMahon are not to blame for anything here. They shouldn't have to answer any questions.
As it's been stated, some people will see Benoit as the talented wrestler and others as the killer. Both were the same person, but "The Canadian Crippler" was showing a front when he was broad casted into millions of homes. Christopher Michael Benoit was the one that none of us knew. Therefore, I really cannot see how you can differentiate between the two. It's acting. Nothing more. Realism takes precedence over ability.
And as I said, the police cannot reveal the facts they have without concrete evidence. They supplied a water-tight case against Benoit. Of course there is always a possibility they are wrong. You always hear of those things. But sit and take the limited, yet startling notes you have for this case and say honestly if you believe Benoit is Innocent. I don't. And that's hard to swallow.
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Post by McKenna on Jun 27, 2007 21:56:13 GMT 1
It all points to Chris Benoit.
I understand some people want to remember Chris Benoit the wrestler, but I cant. Murdering your family superceeds all of that.
Donna bought me the WrestleMania XX delux boxset, with the ticket and the photos in it. One is of Benoit holding the World Championship aloft. Tomorrow is bin collection day in my road
Chris Benoit, meet my bin. Bin, meet a low piece of shit. after all, you have carried my crap for years, what's one more bit?
WWE are getting this correct in every way. They thought they were honouring a legend. Now they know the truth, they are burying him, and erasing his name from thier, and wrestling history.
Someone here said in time, all people will remember is Benoit the wrestler. In a few years, Chris Benoit will be a footnote of books about strange murders. Even that is too good for his memory.
There will be the perverts who will get a kick from this. Ghouls who will visit his home, see the place where "The wrestler lost it" The true story that the police are giving us, in time will be replaced with urban myths, of the genetic freak who turned into the Hulk, and did what he did.
For us sensible people, we will keep the truth alive, anyone who tells me that this is anything other than what happened, is a liar, and a sick freak.
2 people have lost thier lives at his hands. 2 more children have to bury thier father, stepmom, and stepbrother (if i have got that correct, if not, please feel free to correct me)
those left behind will never know why. yet have to live with this for the rest of thier days. For David and Megan Benoit, what do they do now? Change their surnames. if they havent already. Most of thier classmates will already know who their famous father was. the taunts may well have already begun.
Do they change their names, their homes, schools, states friends?
I have seen pictures of David Benoit. He is his father's clone. One day someone will work out who he is, and who is father is.
I feel sorry for them today, he has murdered 2 other people called Benoit. But he has also killed a piece of at least 2 others
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Post by Scream on Jun 27, 2007 22:07:17 GMT 1
Screw Benoit.
I heard that he was injecting his son with a human growth syrum on ESPN a few minutes ago. What a piece of trash.
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Post by The Great JT on Jun 27, 2007 22:29:19 GMT 1
It was 'roid rage.
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Post by McKenna on Jun 27, 2007 22:32:37 GMT 1
Roid rage leads to an uncontrollable burst of anger. this was done pre-meditated.
Rage is a massive amount of anger, uncontrollable, in a short space of time, seconds, minutes at most.
The Atlanta DA have made a full timeline from Nancy's murder to Chris's suicide at between 24-36 hours.
I can see where you are coming from, but the steroids, although part of what may have contributed, will not have been the sole factor.
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Jun 27, 2007 23:18:25 GMT 1
Screw Benoit. I heard that he was injecting his son with a human growth syrum on ESPN a few minutes ago. What a piece of trash. Chris Benoit's Son Had Fragile X Syndrome, says report
Canadian female Pam Winthrope told News 1130 in Canada that Chris Benoit's son had a genetic condition called Fragile X syndrome.
According to WebMD, "Fragile X Syndrome is a defect of the X chromosome which causes mild mental retardation. The disorder occurs more frequently and severely among males than females. This condition is the leading known familial cause of mental retardation in the United States. Language delays, behavioral problems, autism or autistic-like behavior (including poor eye contact and hand-flapping), enlarged external genitalia (macroorchidism), large or prominent ears, hyperactivity, delayed motor development and/or poor sensory skills are among the wide range of symptoms associated with this disorder."
Winthrope, whose son also suffers from the condition, told the Canadian news outlet that her husband reached out to Benoit five years ago in an attempt to increase awareness about Fragile X.
She told News 1130, "We talked to him because I was trying to set up a support group in BC and in Canada, we only have a couple of them. My husband was struggling when we got diagnosed with our son, and Chris was struggling with his. They talked for a few minutes and then he said he didn't want to be a public face for Fragile X, he just wanted to keep it really, really quiet."
Winthrope noted that the lack of support for those affected by the disorder can tear families apart. Nonetheless, "she couldn't believe the news that Benoit had taken his life along with his wife and 7-year-old son," wrote News 1130.
This may explain why Daniel was taking growth hormone injections. It also may shed light onto why Chris didn't want someone else raising his son and made the fateful decision to kill him. As irrational and twisted as it may sound, he may have felt he was saving his son from the double-blow of losing his parents through a murder-suicide and being subject to being raised by people who didn't understand or care for his condition. - Source: prowrestlingscoops.com
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Post by Rocky on Jun 28, 2007 0:01:05 GMT 1
I saw this earlier. I suppose it suggests a motive as such. Not a justifiable one, however. It also doesn't shed any light onto why he tied his wife up. Did she try to stop him? Or is that an attempt to make him seem human again.
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