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Post by The Executioner on Jun 30, 2007 17:56:07 GMT 1
Update! Credit: has confessed to making edits to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's profile mentioning the death of Benoit's wife before authorities had found her body. The anonymous user acknowledged in a lengthy post added to the Web site early Friday being "deeply sorry" and called the situation a "terrible coincidence." The edits were originally reported by Wikinews, an online news source connected to Wikipedia. Friday's post was added to a discussion page for the Wikinews story. Wikinews said the IP address of the individual is identical to that of the user who edited Benoit's profile early Monday to include that Benoit's wife was dead. The poster did not identify himself or herself. The individual acknowledged being from Stamford, Conn. -- the home of World Wrestling Entertainment. In the message, the individual claimed no connection to WWE. A spokeswoman for Wikimedia Foundation, Sandra Ordonez, said the IP address connected to the individual has a history of editing wrestling-related articles on Wikipedia. The editing that mentioned the death of Chris Benoit's wife was posted more than 14 hours before police discovered her body, along with her son's and husband's, at the pro wrestler's Fayette County home. An anonymous user edited the biography of the wrestler on Monday at 12:01 a.m., said Ordonez. Authorities discovered the bodies at the Benoit's Green Meadow Lane home that afternoon, at 2:30 p.m. The Monday morning posting said: "Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the [ECW] Extreme Championship Wrestling Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy." Investigators think Benoit, 40, killed his wife Friday and his 7-year-old son Daniel Saturday. He placed Bibles next to their bodies, authorities say. Sometime Sunday he hanged himself using a weight-machine pulley. The posting raised questions of who, if anyone, knew about the deaths and if so, when. "We are looking at that, trying to track down the IP address," said Fayette Sheriff's Lt. Tommy Pope in a statement to WAGA-TV. "It's either true or it's a hoax." Anyone can post and edit content on the Web encyclopedia. Further more, an IP address, which is a unique set of numbers that every machine connected to the Internet carries, does not necessarily have to be broadcast from where it is registered. The IP address from which the 12:01 a.m. addition was made had been flagged for "vandalizing" other Wikipedia entries in the past, ABC News reported. Earlier this month, the same IP user also edited a post about WWE wrestler Chavo Guerrero Jr., a close friend of Benoit's who reportedly was the recipient of at least one of the text messages Benoit sent over the weekend before the discovery of the bodies. In that edit, the IP user took out a damaging description of Guerrero from the post, ABC News said. Wikipedia does recruit volunteer editors who troll the entries to ensure that facts within posts are properly attributed. According to a timeline posted on Wikinews, which is the news source of the nonprofit foundation, within an hour of the 12:01 post, the edit had been changed with the comment: "Need a reliable source. Saying that his wife died is a pretty big statement, you need to back it up with something." Another hour went by. Then a second anonymous edit, using what appears to be an Australian Internet service provider, added the attribution: "according to several pro wrestling websites." Again, the edit was changed after 20 minutes with the comment: "Saying 'several pro wrestling websites' is still not reliable information." The posting was brought to the attention of the foundation, based in St. Petersburg, Fla., and an employee left a message with Fayetteville authorities about 11 a.m. Tuesday. "We provided the IP address, and I guess they were investigating," Ordonez said. The Chris Benoit entry, updated hundreds of times this week, has now been "locked" to prevent further edits by posters. The Associated Press contributed to this report. www.ajc.com/services/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/28/0628wiki.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=13
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Jun 30, 2007 23:14:03 GMT 1
Found this at another board...
Just finished reading this week's (first Observer) and boy is it fascinating.
Some interesting points:
-Dave confirmed he used a form of the Crippler Crossface on Daniel. This is interesting since Bryan was adamant that the story was bullshit. Apparently investigators found marks on the boys arm and face that they didn't understand and upon watching a tape of a Benoit match and seeing the move it made sense. They just said it was a "choke" as to not further sensationalize an already sensationalized story.
-Dave said Bryan was closer to Benoit (he found his writing hilarious) then he was and that Dave hardly ever talked to Chris (while Bryan [in the new F4W newsletter] seemed to indicate semi regular contact). Thought that was interesting as we rib Bryan about getting all his sources through Dave but I never thought he'd have more access to someone like Benoit then Dave.
-Benoit got a prescription for the anti-depressant Xanax at the doctor's visit on Friday.
-Benoit started going downhill after Eddy died because he lost the one guy who he could confide in and shared his problems with. Apparently close friends always knew Benoit had the same problems as Eddy (pills, etc.) and suggested Benoit seriously needed to see a therapist but no one suggested it since he wasn't the type to be open to that sort of thing.
-Apparently the death of Johnny Grunge hit Benoit even harder then Eddy since they were neighbors and him and Nancy fighting was somewhat common and he'd be the one to come over and defuse situations and make Chris laugh. After he died, Chris didn't have that buffer when things got out of control.
-Chris and Nancy had recently separated for a period of time, and Dave received a change of address form for an apartment different then their house (I believe Bryan mentioned he got a different address too).
-Chris recently opened up a new life insurance claim naming his ex-wife and his older 2 kids as the beneficiaries and refused to include Nancy or Daniel.
-When there were rumors of him leaving for TNA, Dave asked him about it and Chris was paranoid thinking Dave had inside info that WWE was going to release him. He apparently may have thought ECW was a demotion and the next step would be out the door. He was reportedly obsessed with establishing himself at the HHH/HBK level. He had grown increasingly paranoid that someone was out to get him and didn't let Nancy leave the house at night or Daniel to play outside and would take different routes from the airport home each time in case he was being followed.
-Nancy confided to a friend in wrestling days before the murders that she feared for her life and the friend told her to go take Daniel to her parents place in Florida (as she had done before when Chris became violent) but she didn't this time. Apparently she had a lockbox at the bank with notes indicating if something happened to her, it was Chris.
-Theory is that she told him she was leaving him for good and taking Daniel and that's when he snapped on her. Loved his son and when she filed for divorce all he wanted was joint custody. Theory is he killed Daniel because in his mind he couldn't bare to let him be alone without his parents and in his condition so it was a "mercy killing".
-Someone in WWE informed Dave before the RAW show that Chris had killed them, but others in the company were unaware but at least someone high up knew before the tribute show was put on the air.
-Dave says he can't write a proper obit/career retrospect and doesn't know if he ever will.
-Nancy visited Dr. Astin on Thursday asking questions about how she could raise Daniel on her own.
-Dave gave a description of the common profile of men who kill their whole families and it was eerily similar to Benoit (hard working, driven, experienced a loss, a few friends but no real support system, anxiety, etc."
-Said Chris was constantly anxious about something. When he was at home he was worried about wrestling, when wrestling he was worried about his family.
-How's this for eerie. When Vince called all the guys in the ring before RAW to give the news, the stage had been decorated with a casket, reefs, candles with Vince's picture, etc. like a funeral. Talent was told to bring dark suits like a funeral to the taping. I'm sure that was a blast. Vince apparently handled it really well, told anyone who wanted to go home would not be disciplined but guys were basket cases and trying to think of some rationalization (carbon monoxide, etc.)
-Regal was a neighbor of Benoit's and Grunge and would have know about the home troubles so that sheds some light on his "tribute".
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Post by McKenna on Jul 1, 2007 0:55:42 GMT 1
I honestly dont think we will ever fully know what happened. Even though, as a firm Catholic, I believe Chris Benoit will spend eternity in Hell, on the way there, he will have explained his actions and reasons to God. Unless the laws have changed, we still cannot file a supoena (sp?) on the Almighty, so for us discussing this horrible disturbing chain of events, this will forever remain, between him and God.
As for some of the stuff in your above posts Pussycat, it does show how events can affect people. For all the wrestling deaths, none have ever, until Monday, resulted in an entire show being cancelled. This was unparallelled. And as I have previously stated, Vince McMahon cancelling his own storyline, was one of the best pieces of business he may well ever do.
I notice how conspicuous by his absence was Shawn Michaels. The show was in Corpus Christi, and Shawn doesnt live all that far away. Maybe he was too upset to give comments. I understand why Taker didnt appear, as he never has done, when any other talent have passed on. (Im not trying to start a conspiracy theory here, just someone mentioned to me that he thought Shawn would have been one of the first to make a tribute- how little we knew then eh?)
Fact is, and for those who dont know Gormy runs our house, her children are mine. My children can annoy me a lot. I go for a drive, I storm out the house, I go for a beer. I do anything but put a finger on them. I save beating them up, for when we are all in a good mood, and its play fighting (and I always win!! er I mean lose!)
The thought of intentionally harming any of my children, no matter how much they annoy me at that time, never enters my mind. Then again, if all of the above post is gospel truth, who knows what was running through the mind of Chris Benoit.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not looking for any way to give him a reason, and excuse for why he did what he did. But there are people out there who will want answers, will want justification for his actions. and these factors will give them that. So they can remember him as the talent he was.
I dont own the Benoit DVD, but I have several with his matches on, the most high profile of which is WrestleMania XX. I will still watch it. but the promo with he and Eddie, and the main event itself, well they never happened. There were 2 pictures of him in the delux boxset, now there are in a landfill somewhere, will all the shit i threw away that week.
In my eyes, the World Title was vacant between Mania XX and SummerSlam. Yes, I feel that strongly about it. I also disagree with you Cactus about a place in the Hall of Fame. Every wresltling accomplishment was erased the second he fatally hurt his wife. He further cemented his fate killing an innocent, defenceless boy.
From what we all know of this industry we are all fans of, all wrestlers have the same pressures, the same demands on their time from both work and family. Look at some of the top talent of old. JBL, his second marriage, Stephanie McMahon and HHH, both together after failed relationships within the industry. Jerry Lawler, 5, or is it 6 times around, Ric Flair recently tied the knot for the third time. Jim Ross and Steve Austin, both married 3 times. Shawn Michaels on his 2nd go.......
The point im trying to make is, none of those above went and murdered thier families when their private life fell down. Sure, they all handled those breakdowns in different ways, but NONE ended in murder.
As I said at the start of this, I dont think we will ever fully know what went on in his mind that fateful weekend. Most of the details will leak into the public domain, but the one question we can never get the answer to is from Chris Benoit himself
"What the fucking hell were you thinking?"
Maybe, just maybe, before Satan's demons drag Chris Benoit's soul to eternal damnation, Eddie Guerrero, Bam Bam, Curt Henning, Sherri, Freddy Blassie, and all those who went before, with their professional reputations intact, can get the answer out of him.
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Post by Scream on Jul 1, 2007 7:30:19 GMT 1
^if not an answer out of him maybe they can beat the bloody hell out of him
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Post by Keith Williams on Jul 2, 2007 2:54:28 GMT 1
Found this at another board... -Dave confirmed he used a form of the Crippler Crossface on Daniel. This is interesting since Bryan was adamant that the story was bullshit. Apparently investigators found marks on the boys arm and face that they didn't understand and upon watching a tape of a Benoit match and seeing the move it made sense. They just said it was a "choke" as to not further sensationalize an already sensationalized story.Ok now that is just fucked up (excuse my language). When I first heard that he suffercated his son, I figured that he had taken a pillow and put it over Daniels' face.Chris was proberly playing with Daniel and was like "hey you want to wrestle"? He went yeah. Chris went for the crossface, and having see him apply it to people all the time, didn't think much of it. He allowed his dad to put that hold on him. But then Chris slide his hands down from above the mouth to the neck. And by that time it was too late for Daniel. There was no way he could fight out of it and after a few minutes, passed away. -Benoit started going downhill after Eddy died because he lost the one guy who he could confide in and shared his problems with. Apparently close friends always knew Benoit had the same problems as Eddy (pills, etc.) and suggested Benoit seriously needed to see a therapist but no one suggested it since he wasn't the type to be open to that sort of thing.
-Apparently the death of Johnny Grunge hit Benoit even harder then Eddy since they were neighbors and him and Nancy fighting was somewhat common and he'd be the one to come over and defuse situations and make Chris laugh. After he died, Chris didn't have that buffer when things got out of control.Now with the Eddie situation I can understand that. Eddie seemed like the kind of guy that you could confide in. With his religious personality, he wasn't going to be one to be judgmental to someone. He would offer the best advice he could to Chris. He would also offer biblical verses for Chris to reflect on during those times. But Johnny Grunge comes as a surprise. I didn't know that he was neighbors with the Benoits. Thank God he was though. If he wasn't, heaven knows that we would have been talking about this alot sooner. With Chris loosing two of his closest friends, and people that seemed to be able to defuse him, I can see why this happened. But hopefully out of this awful tragedy comes a ray of light. As with the death of Eddie came the wwe wellness policy, perhaps now WWE might look into hiring a psychologist full time to travel on the road with the wrestlers. Give someone for the wrestlers to go to and talk about issues with instead of letting them build up till they get to Benoit level. If there was one on the road a few weeks back, perhaps Benoit could had confided in him and help to avoid the incidents of a week ago.
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Post by Cactus on Jul 2, 2007 14:30:27 GMT 1
I still stand by honouring Beniot in the H.O.F, that is for what he done in the ring, not outside of it, JYD was a known wife-beater, now that is nowhere near as bad as what Benoit has "allegdley" done ( nothing proven yet, not trying to start a fight or anything ) but he was honoured for his support ( for want of a better word ) to the wrestling industry.
This is just my opinion and I know 99.99% of you will disagree, again I am not trying to start anything
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Post by RAGE on Jul 2, 2007 17:17:24 GMT 1
To be honest, Cactus, part of me wants to agree with you. Most of the people in HOF, you could easily label Junkie, Wife Beater, Alcoholic, Adulterer etc etc and for the most part we can ignore it (No-one mentions wife beating as regards Austin anymore) but there is a line and Benoit crossed it big time. People will never be able to forget it. From a WWE point of view, if they're not going to induct Macho Man because he took a 14 year old Stephanie's cherry, they ain't ever gonna induct Benoit. It would be too much bad publicity and you've said it yourself, 99.99% would disagree with it.
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Post by Cactus on Jul 4, 2007 11:46:29 GMT 1
but my point is that the H.O.F is from a wrestling point of veiw, what they done for the "sport" not what they done outside of the ring.
Yes even though it has still not been proved, Benoit was a monster, but that was outside the ring and should not reflect his "acheivements" in the ring
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Post by RAGE on Jul 4, 2007 12:23:13 GMT 1
But you can't seperate them. It's far too big for that. I want to agree with you, because Benoit was for me, one of the best wrestlers ever. But from now on, only a select few will remember him as that. Everyone else will see him as the evil side of professional wrestling. This is why it won't happen ever. No matter how great Benoit's legacy and achievements where before this terrible incident, they'll never be able to escape the shadow of his final actions. And WWE know this. And there's no way they would want the type of publicity that Benoit's induction would attract. This isn't some bad angle like Katie Vick or Mohammed Hassan. This is something you can't call a storyline or some form of kayfabe. This is real life. People will put up and are prepared to forgive and/or forget most things. But some things cut too deep and this is one of them.
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Post by Scream on Jul 4, 2007 14:43:14 GMT 1
Cactus look at Pete Rose. He gambled on baseball and because of it will never be inducted into the Hall of Fame. While he didn't murder anyone he will never be honored for his greatness as a baseball player. Benoit should never be remembered for his in ring ability.
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Post by juncojunky on Jul 4, 2007 17:36:14 GMT 1
Update! Credit: has confessed to making edits to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's profile mentioning the death of Benoit's wife before authorities had found her body. The anonymous user acknowledged in a lengthy post added to the Web site early Friday being "deeply sorry" and called the situation a "terrible coincidence." The edits were originally reported by Wikinews, an online news source connected to Wikipedia. Friday's post was added to a discussion page for the Wikinews story. Wikinews said the IP address of the individual is identical to that of the user who edited Benoit's profile early Monday to include that Benoit's wife was dead. The poster did not identify himself or herself. The individual acknowledged being from Stamford, Conn. -- the home of World Wrestling Entertainment. In the message, the individual claimed no connection to WWE. A spokeswoman for Wikimedia Foundation, Sandra Ordonez, said the IP address connected to the individual has a history of editing wrestling-related articles on Wikipedia. The editing that mentioned the death of Chris Benoit's wife was posted more than 14 hours before police discovered her body, along with her son's and husband's, at the pro wrestler's Fayette County home. An anonymous user edited the biography of the wrestler on Monday at 12:01 a.m., said Ordonez. Authorities discovered the bodies at the Benoit's Green Meadow Lane home that afternoon, at 2:30 p.m. The Monday morning posting said: "Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the [ECW] Extreme Championship Wrestling Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy." Investigators think Benoit, 40, killed his wife Friday and his 7-year-old son Daniel Saturday. He placed Bibles next to their bodies, authorities say. Sometime Sunday he hanged himself using a weight-machine pulley. The posting raised questions of who, if anyone, knew about the deaths and if so, when. "We are looking at that, trying to track down the IP address," said Fayette Sheriff's Lt. Tommy Pope in a statement to WAGA-TV. "It's either true or it's a hoax." Anyone can post and edit content on the Web encyclopedia. Further more, an IP address, which is a unique set of numbers that every machine connected to the Internet carries, does not necessarily have to be broadcast from where it is registered. The IP address from which the 12:01 a.m. addition was made had been flagged for "vandalizing" other Wikipedia entries in the past, ABC News reported. Earlier this month, the same IP user also edited a post about WWE wrestler Chavo Guerrero Jr., a close friend of Benoit's who reportedly was the recipient of at least one of the text messages Benoit sent over the weekend before the discovery of the bodies. In that edit, the IP user took out a damaging description of Guerrero from the post, ABC News said. Wikipedia does recruit volunteer editors who troll the entries to ensure that facts within posts are properly attributed. According to a timeline posted on Wikinews, which is the news source of the nonprofit foundation, within an hour of the 12:01 post, the edit had been changed with the comment: "Need a reliable source. Saying that his wife died is a pretty big statement, you need to back it up with something." Another hour went by. Then a second anonymous edit, using what appears to be an Australian Internet service provider, added the attribution: "according to several pro wrestling websites." Again, the edit was changed after 20 minutes with the comment: "Saying 'several pro wrestling websites' is still not reliable information." The posting was brought to the attention of the foundation, based in St. Petersburg, Fla., and an employee left a message with Fayetteville authorities about 11 a.m. Tuesday. "We provided the IP address, and I guess they were investigating," Ordonez said. The Chris Benoit entry, updated hundreds of times this week, has now been "locked" to prevent further edits by posters. The Associated Press contributed to this report. www.ajc.com/services/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/28/0628wiki.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=13Unless this developes, Benoit is screwed. Pete Rose example was perfect. Not only did the guy gamble on the game but he treated his fans like crap, flipped 'em the bird .. basically didn't give a flying piece. But does this really matter? No. Benoit is a totally different circumstance. Benoit just hit the 'demon' role. With WWE being watched more and more by kids and teenagers these days, theres not a chance.
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Post by Cactus on Jul 7, 2007 13:46:28 GMT 1
dont get me wrong, I am not condoning what he done, far from it, mckenna and gormy know what i am like about children, and people who even hit women and i understand the message it would send out to induct him. What i am saying is that what he "alledgelly" done ( again just in case we are wrong ) was away from the ring he should be honoured by his profession for what he done in the ring, not out of it
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Post by McKenna on Jul 7, 2007 15:47:56 GMT 1
Sorry, mate. The moment Chris Benoit murdered his wife, his wrestling legacy was over. I mean, WWE are erasing all traces of Benoit, as best they can. They are making it look as though he never even wrestled.
Benoit in the Hall of Fame? I think they way WWE are marketing this, they would say
And who is Chris Benoit?
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Post by Cactus on Jul 7, 2007 19:02:37 GMT 1
I know that dude, but the man was an animal, the wrestler was not
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Post by McKenna on Jul 7, 2007 23:57:44 GMT 1
Dude, take a look at the WWE website. He's not there. Only when they it is totally unavoidable, then they erase him. There never was a Chris Benoit the wrestler.
To induct him into the Hall of Fame is totally insult the families he left behind. There is no allegedly about what happened. He did all this, the only thing that is alleged now are his reasons for doing what he did, and seeing that, without any form of message so far, that died the moment he broke strangled the air out of his cowardly, pathetic body.
Here's an analogy you may relate to, and this is not a flame in any way, but by your rational, we should give every single copper a medal for April 15th 1997. After all, forget the fact thier actions killed 96 people that day, it's what they did in the rest of the careers we should be honouring.
Like I said, this aint a flame, just the best analogy I could find, and one that is very very close to your heart, as it is mine.
Hope you see my point, and why everyone is so passionate about why Benoit has no place in the H.O.F.
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Post by Reaper on Jul 8, 2007 4:54:57 GMT 1
in a strange bit of curiosity, I went to WWE.com and seached "Benoit." All the links redirect to the main page but I found number 5 to be sickly interesting.
5. WWE: Inside WWE > News > Archive > SNE: Benoit's kind of movie ... Benoit: See No Evil - My Kind of Movie. By Brett Hoffman. May 16, 2006. ... The way that scene unfolded was just a lot of fun.” Benoit didn’t stop there. ...
too bad it redirected, I'd like to see what is in that one. Morbid curiosity I suppose, but still.
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Post by Cactus on Jul 8, 2007 11:34:05 GMT 1
Ant i get you analagy and i do understand, i really do mate. Credit www.dailystar.co.uk the only uk newspaper to cover wrestling CRAZED wrestler Chris Benoit was the kingpin of a giant drugs syndicate before murdering his wife and child then killing himself. A massive stash of steroids was found at his home, the Daily Star Sunday can reveal. He was allegedly being provided with up to three months’ worth of the performance-enhancing drugs every week. And police now believe the muscle-bound maniac may have supplied other WWE grapplers. The surgery of his personal physician Phil Astin was raided after the murders. And Astin now faces seven charges of distributing illegal substances between April 2004 and September 2005. Astin was also alleged to have prescribed one million doses of controlled drugs in the last two years, including “significant quantities” of injectable anabolic steroids favoured by wrestlers. It is also alleged that he gave Benoit up to 14 years’ supply of steroids between May 2006 and May 2007. Benoit regularly injected an anabolic steroid known as “deca”. But he was not a massive drug user. A source said: “He took very low amounts, one cc of deca for 12 weeks on and so many weeks off. “He looked so good because he trained like an absolute lunatic.” The drug deca durabolin – a form of nandrolone – boosts muscle growth, red blood cell count and bone density without many of the side-effects of other steroids. But users can still suffer heart damage, breast growth, a lower sex drive and impotence – known as “deca dick”. And while steroids have been blamed for driving Benoit to slay his family, many now believe the real reasons for his complete mental collapse lie elsewhere. Wrestling writer Bryan Alvarez commented: “Guys have been using steroids since the late 1950s but you don’t see them committing double murder-suicides.” Benoit strangled his wife Nancy, 43, after tying her hands and feet. Next day he killed his son Daniel, seven, with his signature move the “Crippler Crossface”. In the ring it involved placing the arm of a floored opponent between his legs, locking his hands round their face and pulling back, stretching their neck. Then he hanged himself at his home in Fayetteville, Georgia, using a weight-machine pulley. But it was the drugs death of his best pal that started his downward spiral into madness. After fellow wrestler Eddie Guerrero died at 38 in November 2005, Benoit became religious and started wearing a crucifix. When he murdered his wife and child, he placed Bibles beside their corpses. A source revealed: “Eddie’s death hit Chris for six. He would say, ‘We have got to think he has gone to a better place’. “Eddie had been taking drugs because he didn’t want to let on to people that he was beat up. And Chris never let on about anything.” Other friends in the business had also died. And Benoit was becoming paranoid due to a lethal mix of medication including steroids, painkillers and anti-depressants. WWE’s biggest British star William Regal, 39, was a close friend of Benoit and has himself battled addict- ions to pain pills, the clubber drug GHB and valium. He exclusively told the Daily Star Sunday: “Chris and me were the grumpy old men, making out the younger wrestlers didn’t have enough respect for the business. “We used to police the dressing rooms together, making sure they didn’t leave any trash in the dressing rooms and stuff like that. “But you’d only ever be friends with Chris on his terms. “The only way I can rationalise is to say that Chris lost the plot. I know, I’ve done it myself, had blackouts and all kinds of stuff. “I can only think the poor lad has snapped, killed Nancy and thought that his son, who had problems, would have to grow up without parents and he thought it was a mercy killing. “I am hoping someone can tell me that so I can put it to bed. I’m going to remember Chris for everything except the last two days of his life.”
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Post by Gormy on Jul 8, 2007 22:47:46 GMT 1
Quote - Next day he killed his son Daniel, seven, with his signature move the “Crippler Crossface”.
Need anyone say more on this whole tragic affair?
I think not
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Jul 9, 2007 3:42:48 GMT 1
That whole article just screams tabloid, it sounds like it was written by Geraldo.
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Post by McKenna on Jul 10, 2007 22:59:27 GMT 1
Brief recap from Larry King Live
Starts with John Cena, Chris Jericho and Bret Hart (in Canada) giving thier views of Benoit the person. Cena said he only knew him in a professional capacity. Jericho mentioned they talked about families all the time. Hart said he couldnt really understand how this happened.
Throughout the whole show they showed footage of Benoit's career, mostly the bits used in the tribute show.
They tried to put a positive spin on Benoit the wrestler, but said it was ineveitable that it would only ever really be Benoit the killer that was remembered.
They were joined by Steve Blackman and Ted DiBiase, who mirrored these original comments from the panel. DiBiase fet the significnace of the bibles was maybe Benoit was trying to find contrition in what he had done. Blackman said he knew Benoit 20 years, and felt that his being so private could have contirbuted.
The topic of steriods reared its head. Cena said for the length of time taken over the whole tragedy, it wasnt a flash incident. Jericho called the media lazy, saying he had done research, and that excess caffine also causes the same side effects as taking steroids, but if we replaced the word caffine with steriods, it becomes an easier story.
DiBiase mentioned about wrestlers deaths being more drink and recreational drug related, because of the excesses that were led during the 80s and 90s.
Dr Astin's lawyer came on saying no charges had yet been brought up against his client
Cena then mentioned that grief counillors (sp) were on hand at every single show, and that the Corpus Christi Raw was cancelled correctly, as the full events had not become clear at time of broadcast.
Talk of a union being set up, Bret was all for it, Cena and DiBiase compared being a pro wrestler to being in the Army, you know what you are signing up for.
Jericho had mentioned that in the past Benoit was the first man he would ask to join him on Make A Wish visits, going so far as to say that, if ever in a total bind, he would not hesitate to leave his children with Benoit.
The DA of Lafayette come on saying that they dont know if Benoit's body has been released. Jericho mentions he had spoken to Benoit Snr, who had confided in him that the funeral will be private, and that he (Benoit Snr) had not slept since this had happened trying to work out what caused his son to do this.
Jericho mentioned that Benoit must have had serious mental problems as well to have commited these terrible acts. He also spoke up for Nancy, saying she was a quality lady. thier funerals are Saturday in Daytona Beach.
The Hall of Fame was brought up, Blackman said no way sholud he ever be inducted, All agreed, with Jericho saying that what he did in that last weekend destroyed any chance of that, but we must recall that the story of wrestling cannot be written without the Benoit name being included.
If someone else can fill in any blanks, please feel free, this is as much as I could recall in watching it.
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Post by The Great JT on Jul 23, 2007 5:14:56 GMT 1
Here's the overview. Benoit got roid rage, killed his semi-retarded kid and wife, then hung himself. Unlike Owen Hart, British Bulldog and Andre the Giant (among others), Benoit's going to Hell, where he will job for the rest of eternity.
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Jul 23, 2007 5:53:55 GMT 1
Oh well case closed. Thank you so much Doctor, Detective, Reverend Blade for your expert testimony.
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Post by The Great JT on Jul 23, 2007 19:50:34 GMT 1
Pray to me and you shall be saved. Don't and you go to hell! Look at what happened to Benoit!
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Post by Austin Tacious on Jul 27, 2007 20:05:12 GMT 1
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Post by Cactus on Jul 28, 2007 19:47:26 GMT 1
yeah we have seen them mate, but its good to see another "old boy" living by the rules and not back reading
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