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Post by Keith Williams on Nov 16, 2006 0:13:27 GMT 1
I don't know, it could be just me, but I just don't see Lashley as a main eventer yet. He is a solid mid-card, but not a guy I would put the world title on just yet. If Big Show drops the belt in the chamber, I say either RVD or Sabu will walk out with it.
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Post by Stare on Nov 16, 2006 3:44:58 GMT 1
Honestly, I think Lashley will win.
Reasons the others won't win are as follows:
-Big Show: Back problems
-RVD: Hasn't regained trust
-Sabu: Would get no reaction since he's not as popular as RVD or Punk (therefore making him winning a letdown), unless he turned heel
-Test: Cause I don't see a heel being the one to dethrone Big Show
-CM Punk: too green and not believable as a World Champ just yet
If I had to put my money on someone besides Lashley, I'd go with Test.
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Nov 16, 2006 6:54:22 GMT 1
I want to go on record saying that CM Punk is NOT green by any reasonable standards.
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Post by Cactus on Dec 6, 2006 19:56:25 GMT 1
I agree with Nin, he is flesh coloured
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Post by Aladdin on Dec 6, 2006 19:59:42 GMT 1
Stare, you're crazy if you think Punk is green.
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Post by Aladdin on Dec 6, 2006 21:08:11 GMT 1
Anyone noticed how Michael Hayes saw no potential in two black guys, two asian guys and a white guy who is associated with a black guy.
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Dec 7, 2006 0:24:51 GMT 1
Um, what?
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Post by Keith Williams on Dec 7, 2006 1:31:32 GMT 1
Anyone noticed how Michael Hayes saw no potential in two black guys, two asian guys and a white guy who is associated with a black guy. That should explain it. In case you was wondering Michael Hayes is the one on the far right.
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Post by Stare on Dec 7, 2006 5:07:07 GMT 1
I want to go on record saying that CM Punk is NOT green by any reasonable standards. In ECW, he is too green. As a wrestler, he is most certainly not. I thought it was bullshit that he was the first eliminated.
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Post by juncojunky on Dec 7, 2006 7:20:53 GMT 1
yea, he was the one with basically no relative angle with the others though.. all can somewhat be related except for him. Skill wise, I think it would definitley of been a different story.
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Post by Stare on Dec 7, 2006 17:00:54 GMT 1
Well, even so. He went into the match undefeated, whcih was part of his storyline. To build a guy up, and then destory him when he goes up against Main Eventers makes him look like a joke. It's definetly bad character handling when you eliminate the most over guy in the match first.
I would've at least made him the 3rd, maybe 4th elimiated.
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Post by Keith Williams on Dec 7, 2006 17:17:35 GMT 1
Yea having him be one of the last to be eliminated would have been ideal. Perhaps after being double teamed by the heels. But I heard that Vince wanted to force the people to cheer for Lashley. And that wouldn't be accomplished if Punk would had stayed in there till almost the end.
But the whole ppv was a total diaster from the get go. Vince wanted the ppv to hinge entirely on that Chamber match. He didn't want to promote any other matches on that card. I read that he is planning to do that to the RAW/Smackdown ppvs as well. Promote the main event and that is it.
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Post by Stare on Dec 7, 2006 17:37:42 GMT 1
Vince is losing it. He's finally losing it. The businessman isn't thinking straight anymore.
The reason the card sucked was because none of the matches meant anything. They had no build up.
As for him eliminating Punk so it would force people to cheer Lashley, yes that does make sense, but read that sentence again, and then tell me if it isn't pathetic that Vince would bypass a CM Punk who is twice the wrestler Lashley. And, the only reason I can think of why he would do that is because CM Punk is a smaller wrestler, and because he's still a new superstar.
I think CM Punk could be the next savior to come along in wrestling if they would utilize him correctly.
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Post by Trent Matsunoshin on Dec 8, 2006 2:13:54 GMT 1
Now now guys....
Punk is still new in the eyes of the fans, so it was almost an expectation for him to be tossed first. And just because he was the first to be eliminated doesn't mean he won't still be large, like virtually every other champion in WWE, he has to spend time at or near the bottom, name one main-eventer or upper midcarder who hasn't.
So he was eliminated first. Is it messed up? Sure, but is it surprising? No. And I don't think this will damage him at all, if he plays to his character the fans will expect him to come back stronger and more motivated. Which is what got him over in the first place.
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Post by brockandsable on Dec 8, 2006 22:44:50 GMT 1
Anyone noticed how Michael Hayes saw no potential in two black guys, two asian guys and a white guy who is associated with a black guy. That should explain it. In case you was wondering Michael Hayes is the one on the far right. ^HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ;D
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Post by RAGE on Jan 4, 2007 10:35:29 GMT 1
CM Punk is the best thing ECW have got right now. If they used him right, he could be the thing to save or at least hold off ECW from cancellation. I can understand the elimination argument regarding the fans being manipulated into cheering for Lashley but shouldn't that tell Vince something? But of course, the week before at Survivor Series when Triple H was forced to acknowledge all the chants during his tired old DX schtick, regarding a wrestler, who not so long ago both him and HBK buried, won't have anything to do with it. That's pure, wild, unfounded speculation. with no hint of truth whatsoever.
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Post by Keith Williams on Jan 4, 2007 18:16:02 GMT 1
Heres a hypothetical question for everyone. If ECW was to close it doors, which brand do you think would get CM Punk? RAW or Smackdown? Personally I think he would fit better on Smackdown. That is the show where wrestling is highlighted more then the sport entertainment part. I could see Punk having 4-5 star matches with the likes of Benoit, Finlay, King Booker and the curiserweights. And be a shinning star on Smackdown. But if he was on Raw he would get buried.
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Post by Aladdin on Jan 4, 2007 18:53:53 GMT 1
I agree and i want him to be sent there as soon as he wins and loses the ECW Title.
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Post by brockandsable on Jan 5, 2007 0:06:35 GMT 1
Punk's one of those guys whose skill and charisma will warrant him a place at the top of any card, so it makes this one a bit tougher. On RAW you've got John Cena, Triple H, and Shawn Michaels occupying the top babyface slots and Vince has a hard on for Cena and the others will stay put due to family ties and sheer politicking.
On Friday Night Smackdown! you've got Batista, Undertaker, and Kane occupying the top slots with Chris Benoit not too far behind. I am going against popular opinion and say that Punk would be better suited on Monday Nights. Personally, I think the Jeff Hardy hype has died down and Carlito is being wasted. CM Punk could be used to bring back some real life to the mid-card before going all the way. I am hoping that Hardy is moved to Friday Nights so that Team Extreme reunites full time. London/Kendrick v. Team Extreme for the titles + Money In the Bank. $$$
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Post by RAGE on Jan 5, 2007 9:17:35 GMT 1
Sod it, Punk for TNA!
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Post by Aladdin on Jan 5, 2007 14:49:16 GMT 1
Punk won't go to TNA. He's already been there before anyway and quit so that he could stay with ROH. So, if Punk were to leave WWE, ROH would be the place for him to go IMO. I'm sure TNA know this.
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Post by brockandsable on Jan 5, 2007 18:12:55 GMT 1
TNA is still shit. Even with the acquisition of Kurt Angle, Christian Cage, and Sting last year, the brand just doesn't have "it". I don't know if it's the booking or maybe I am so groomed to follow the WWE, I try to measure everything else to their standards. I don't understand how a company can employ the likes of Angle, Joe, Styles and Cage, yet still manage to put forth a sub-par product. Educate me.
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Post by Faster Pussycat! on Jan 5, 2007 18:44:45 GMT 1
They're trying to compete with wwe, but they just can't. They've tried to structure their company like the wwe, but it just isn't right for them.
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Post by Stare on Jan 5, 2007 20:48:00 GMT 1
TNA's whole appeal is that they're different. Or, it was . . . it's getting farther and farther away from that, that's the problem
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Post by Cactus on Jan 15, 2007 15:30:20 GMT 1
TNA is still shit. Even with the acquisition of Kurt Angle, Christian Cage, and Sting last year, the brand just doesn't have "it". I don't know if it's the booking or maybe I am so groomed to follow the WWE, I try to measure everything else to their standards. I don't understand how a company can employ the likes of Angle, Joe, Styles and Cage, yet still manage to put forth a sub-par product. Educate me. 2 words, vince russo
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